Q2 2026 Virtus Investment Partners Inc Earnings Call

July 30, 2026

Operator: Good morning. My name is Jacinda, and I will be your conference operator today. I would like to welcome everyone to the Virtus Investment Partners Quarterly Conference Call. The slide presentation for this call is available in the investor relations section of the Virtus website at www.virtus.com. This call is being recorded and will be available for replay on the Virtus website. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer period, and instructions will follow at that time. I will now turn the conference to your host, Sean Rourke.

Speaker #1: This call is being recorded, and will be available for replay on the VIRTUS website. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode.

Speaker #1: After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question-and-answer period, and instructions will follow at that time. I will now turn the conference to your host, Sean Rourke.

Speaker #2: Thanks, Jacinda, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to VIRTUS INVESTMENT PARTNERS discussion of our second quarter of 2026 financial and operating results. Joining me today are George Aylward, our president and CEO, and Mike Angerthal, our chief financial officer.

Sean Rourke: Thanks, Jacinda, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to Virtus Investment Partners' discussion of our Q2 2026 financial and operating results. Joining me today are George Aylward, our President and CEO, and Mike Angerthal, our Chief Financial Officer. After their prepared remarks, we will open the call for questions. Before we begin, I'll refer you to the disclosures on slide two. Today's comments may include forward-looking statements, which involve risks and uncertainties described in our news release and SEC filings. Actual results may differ materially. We will also reference certain non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are available in today's news release and financial supplement on our website. Now I'd like to turn the call over to George. George?

Sean Rourke: Thanks, Jacinda, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to Virtus Investment Partners' discussion of our Q2 2026 financial and operating results. Joining me today are George Aylward, our President and Chief Executive Officer, and Mike Angerthal, our Chief Financial Officer. After their prepared remarks, we will open the call for questions. Before we begin, I'll refer you to the disclosures on slide two. Today's comments may include forward-looking statements, which involve risks and uncertainties described in our news release and SEC filings. Actual results may differ materially. We will also reference certain non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are available in today's news release and financial supplement on our website. Now I'd like to turn the call over to George. George?

Speaker #2: After their prepared remarks, we will open the call for questions. Before we begin, I'll refer you to the disclosures on slide 2. Today's comments may include forward-looking statements, which involve risks and uncertainties described in our news release and SEC filings.

Speaker #2: Actual results may defer materially. We will also reference certain non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are available in today's news release and financial supplement on our website.

Speaker #2: Now I'd like to turn the call over to George. George?

Speaker #3: Thank you, Sean, and good morning, everyone. I will start with an overview of the results we reported this morning, and then Mike will provide more detail.

George Aylward: Thank you, Sean, and good morning, everyone. I will start with an overview of the results we reported this morning, and then Mike will provide more detail. While our results continue to reflect the challenging environment for quality-oriented equity strategies, there are several positive underlying trends during the quarter, which included a meaningful improvement in total net flows, over $1 billion of positive net flows excluding the quality equity strategies. Our strongest quarter of institutional sales and net flows in nearly 3 years. Positive net flows in alternatives, fixed income, and multi-asset strategies. Higher sales across multiple products, including institutional wealth management and ETFs, and continued return of capital to shareholders while reducing debt. We also continue to broaden our product offerings in areas where we see attractive growth opportunities.

Speaker #3: While our results continue to reflect the challenging environment for quality-oriented equity strategies, there are several positive underlying trends during the quarter which included: a meaningful improvement in total net flows, over $1 billion of positive net flows excluding the quality equity strategies, our strongest quarter of institutional sales and net flows in nearly three years, positive net flows in alternatives, fixed income, and multi-asset strategies, higher sales across multiple products including institutional wealth management and ETFs, and continued return of capital to shareholders while reducing debt.

Speaker #3: We also continue to broaden our product offerings in areas where we see attractive growth opportunities. During the quarter, we introduced new actively managed ETFs from Duff & Phelps and Silvan, further expanding our ETF platform and providing clients with differentiated investment solutions.

George Aylward: During the quarter, we introduced new actively managed ETFs from Duff & Phelps and Silvant, further expanding our ETF platform and providing clients with differentiated investment solutions. ETFs have continued to generate positive net flows, and for perspective, our ETF business has grown significantly from just $1 billion 5 years ago and generated $2 billion of net flows in the past year alone. We remain focused on expanding our capabilities and product offerings in ETFs and other areas where we see growing client demand and attractive opportunities for long-term growth. Turning to investment performance. Outside of quality equity, our performance remains strong across periods. Fixed income and alternative strategies have had consistently strong performance, with 80% and 67% respectively beating benchmarks for the 3-year period. Over the longer 10-year period, 73% of our fixed income and 67% of alternative strategies beat their benchmarks.

Speaker #3: ETFs have continued to generate positive net flows, and for perspective, our ETF business has grown significantly from just $1 billion five years ago and generated $2 billion of net flows in the past year alone.

Speaker #3: We remain focused on expanding our capabilities and product offerings in ETFs and other areas where we see growing client demand and attractive opportunities for long-term growth.

Speaker #3: Turning to investment performance, outside of quality equity, our performance remains strong across periods. Fixed income and alternative strategies have had consistently strong performance, with 80% and 67%, respectively, beating benchmarks for the three-year period. Over the longer, 10-year period, 73% of our fixed income and 67% of alternative strategies beat their benchmarks.

Speaker #3: Our equity investment performance reflects our overweight to quality-oriented equity strategies. These strategies have had the opportunity to demonstrate strong performance in more constructive markets, which have been absent for the past two years.

George Aylward: Our equity investment performance reflects our overweight to quality-oriented equity strategies. These strategies have had the opportunity to demonstrate strong performance in more constructive markets, which have been absent for the past two years. However, we have seen indications of the impact of such opportunities, for example, in the most recent period since late June. While it is still early in the quarter and a very short timeframe, nearly every quality strategy has been outperforming its benchmarks quarter to date, and some meaningfully so. The improvement has coincided with a broadening market environment that is more supportive of fundamentally driven active security selection and is consistent with the type of market in which these strategies have historically performed well. Again, with such a short period, it is difficult to draw a conclusion on the cycle, but it does demonstrate the opportunity when it does change.

Speaker #3: However, we have seen indications of the impact of such opportunities, for example, in the most recent period since late June. While it is still early in the quarter and a very short time frame, nearly every quality strategy has been outperforming its benchmarks according to date, and some meaningfully so.

Speaker #3: The improvement has coincided with a broadening market environment that is more supportive of fundamentally driven active security selection and is consistent with the type of market in which these strategies have historically performed well.

Speaker #3: Again, with such a short period, it is difficult to draw a conclusion on the cycle, but it does demonstrate the opportunity when it does change.

Speaker #3: Looking at our second quarter results, assets owned and managed were $152 billion at June 30th, up from $149 billion, primarily due to market performance.

George Aylward: Looking at our Q2 results, assets under management were $152 billion at 30 June, up from $149 billion, primarily due to market performance. Total sales increased 5% to $6.1 billion, with higher sales of institutional wealth management in ETFs. For institutional and wealth management, it was our highest level of sales in several years. Total net outflows improved to $5.6 billion from $8.4 billion due to both higher sales and lower redemptions. By product, net flows improved sequentially for institutional, intermediary sold retail separate accounts, ETFs, and wealth management. Looking at flows across asset classes and consistent with prior quarters, the net outflows reflected the continued style headwind for quality-oriented strategies. Outside of those strategies, positive net flows were broad-based across managers spanning fixed income, alternatives, multi-asset, and equity strategies that do not have the quality orientation.

Speaker #3: Total sales increased 5% to $6.1 billion, with higher sales of institutional, wealth management, and ETFs. For institutional and wealth management, it was our highest level of sales in several years.

Speaker #3: Total net outflows improved to $5.6 billion from $8.4 billion due to both higher sales and lower redemptions. By product, net flows improved sequentially for institutional intermediary sold retail separate accounts, ETFs, and wealth management.

Speaker #3: Looking at flows across asset classes and consistent with prior quarters, the net outflows reflected the continued style headwind for quality-oriented strategies. Outside of those strategies, positive net flows were broad-based across managers, spanning fixed income, alternatives, multi-asset, and equity strategies that do not have a quality orientation.

Speaker #3: In terms of what we've seen in July, US retail fund sales and net flows are tracking more favorably than in each month of the second quarter, and ETF net flows continue at a similar pace.

George Aylward: In terms of what we've seen in July, US retail fund sales and net flows are tracking more favorably than in each month of the Q2, and ETF net flows continue at a similar pace. On the institutional side, while known redemptions do exceed known wins, the sales pipeline is stronger than it has been in a year and is diversified across five managers and six strategies. In addition, we anticipate issuing a new CLO later this year. Turning now to our financial results, earnings per share and the operating margin each increased sequentially due to the impact of prior quarter seasonal expenses, offset partially by a discrete non-cash expense item related to previously issued investment professional stock awards. The operating margin was 26.1%, up from 24%, and excluding the discrete item, was 28.2%.

Speaker #3: On the institutional side, while known redemptions do exceed known wins, the sales pipeline is stronger than it has been in a year and is diversified across five managers and six strategies.

Speaker #3: In addition, we anticipate issuing a new CLO later this year. Turning now to our financial results, earnings per share and the operating margin each increased sequentially due to the impact of prior quarter seasonal expenses, offset partially by a discrete non-cash expense item related to previously issued investment professional stock awards.

Speaker #3: The operating margin was 26.1%, up from 24%, and excluding the discrete item, was 28.2%. Earnings per share, as adjusted, were $5.54, up from $5.38, and were $5.97 excluding the discrete item.

George Aylward: Earnings per share, as adjusted at $5.54, increased from $5.38 and were $5.97 excluding the discrete item. In terms of our balance sheet and capital, we ended the quarter with cash and equivalents of $176 million, CECL and other investments of $273 million, and $220 million of undrawn capacity on our revolving credit facility. During the quarter, we repurchased approximately 70,000 shares for $10 million and paid our quarterly dividend. We continue to have financial flexibility to balance our capital priorities of investing in the business, returning capital to shareholders, and maintaining appropriate leverage. With that, I'll turn the call over to Mike to provide more detail on the results. Mike?

Speaker #3: In terms of our balance sheet and capital, we ended the quarter with cash and equivalents of $176 million, see CLO and other investments of $273 million, and $220 million of undrawn capacity on our revolving credit facility.

Speaker #3: During the quarter, we repurchased approximately 70,000 shares for $10 million and paid our quarterly dividend. We continue to have financial flexibility to balance our capital priorities of investing in the business, returning capital to shareholders, and maintaining appropriate leverage.

Speaker #3: With that, I'll turn the call over to Mike to provide more detail on the results. Mike?

Speaker #2: Thank you, George. Good to be with you all this morning.

Michael Angerthal: Thank you, George. Good to be with you all this morning. Starting with our results on slide seven, assets under management. Our total assets under management at 30 June were $152.2 billion, up 2%, primarily due to market performance. Average assets were $153.3 billion, down 3% sequentially. Our AUM is well diversified across products and asset classes. By product, institutional accounts were 33% of AUM, US retail funds represented 27%, and retail separate accounts, including wealth management, represented 24%. The remaining 16% consisted of closed-end and tender offer funds, ETFs, and global funds. Within open-end funds, ETF AUM increased to $5.8 billion, up $0.4 billion sequentially, reflecting continued positive net flows and up 58% year-over-year. By asset class, fixed income represented nearly 27% of AUM, with offerings diversified across duration, credit quality, and geography.

Mike Angerthal: Thank you, George. Good to be with you all this morning. Starting with our results on slide seven, assets under management. Our total assets under management at 30 June were $152.2 billion, up 2%, primarily due to market performance. Average assets were $153.3 billion, down 3% sequentially. Our AUM is well diversified across products and asset classes. By product, institutional accounts were 33% of AUM, US retail funds represented 27%, and retail separate accounts, including wealth management, represented 24%. The remaining 16% consisted of closed-end and tender offer funds, ETFs, and global funds. Within open-end funds, ETF AUM increased to $5.8 billion, up $0.4 billion sequentially, reflecting continued positive net flows and up 58% year-over-year. By asset class, fixed income represented nearly 27% of AUM, with offerings diversified across duration, credit quality, and geography.

Speaker #3: Starting with our results on slide 7, assets under management. Our total assets under management at June 30th were $152.2 billion. Up 2%, primarily due to market performance.

Speaker #3: And average assets were $153.3 billion, down 3% sequentially. Our AUM is well diversified across products and asset classes. By product, institutional accounts were 33% of AUM, US retail funds represented 27%, and retail separate accounts, including wealth management, represented 24%.

Speaker #3: The remaining 16% consisted of closed-end and tender offer funds, ETFs, and global funds. Within open-end funds, ETF AUM increased to 5.8 billion, up 0.4 billion sequentially, reflecting continued positive net flows and up 58% year over year.

Speaker #3: By asset class, fixed income represented nearly 27% of AUM, with offerings diversified across duration, credit quality, and geography. Alternatives and multi-asset together represented over 28% of AUM, up from 21% a year ago, and included positive net flows in alternatives, and the addition of keystone in the first quarter.

Michael Angerthal: Alternatives and multi-asset together represented over 28% of AUM, up from 21% a year ago, and included positive net flows in alternatives and the addition of Keystone in Q1. We also have broad representation across domestic and international equities, including mid, small, and large-cap strategies. Turning to slide eight, asset flows. Total sales increased 5% to $6.1 billion, up from $5.8 billion in Q1, with higher sales in institutional, wealth management, and ETFs. Reviewing by product, institutional sales increased to $2.2 billion from $1.2 billion, with higher sales in alternatives, equities, and fixed income, and included a large global listed real estate inflow. This was the highest level of institutional sales in three years. Retail separate account sales of $1.2 billion declined from $1.4 billion in Q1, as higher wealth management sales were more than offset by lower intermediary sold.

Mike Angerthal: Alternatives and multi-asset together represented over 28% of AUM, up from 21% a year ago, and included positive net flows in alternatives and the addition of Keystone in Q1. We also have broad representation across domestic and international equities, including mid, small, and large-cap strategies. Turning to slide eight, asset flows. Total sales increased 5% to $6.1 billion, up from $5.8 billion in Q1, with higher sales in institutional, wealth management, and ETFs. Reviewing by product, institutional sales increased to $2.2 billion from $1.2 billion, with higher sales in alternatives, equities, and fixed income, and included a large global listed real estate inflow. This was the highest level of institutional sales in three years. Retail separate account sales of $1.2 billion declined from $1.4 billion in Q1, as higher wealth management sales were more than offset by lower intermediary sold.

Speaker #2: We also have broad representation across domestic and international equities, including mid, small, and large-cap strategies.

Speaker #3: Turning to slide 8, asset flows.

Speaker #2: Total sales increased 5% to $6.1 billion, up from $5.8 billion in the first quarter, with higher sales in institutional wealth management and ETFs.

Speaker #3: Reviewing by product, institutional sales increased to $2.2 billion, from $1.2 billion, with higher sales in alternatives, equities, and fixed income, and included a large global listed real estate inflow.

Speaker #3: This was the highest level of institutional sales in three years.

Speaker #2: Retail separate account sales of $1.2 billion declined from $1.4 billion in the first quarter, as higher wealth management sales were more than offset by lower intermediary sold.

Speaker #2: Wealth management sales were at their highest level since the fourth quarter of 2023.

Michael Angerthal: Wealth management sales were at their highest level since Q4 2023. Open-end fund sales declined 14% to $2.6 billion as higher ETF sales were more than offset by lower US retail and global funds. Total net outflows improved to $5.6 billion from $8.4 billion last quarter. By product, institutional net outflows of $0.7 billion improved meaningfully from $3.2 billion last quarter, driven by both higher sales and lower redemptions, and represented our best quarter of institutional flows in nearly three years. The majority of the redemptions continued to be concentrated in quality-oriented equity strategies. Retail separate account net outflows of $3.1 billion improved from $3.9 billion last quarter, with the outflows driven by intermediary sold quality-oriented equities. Wealth management net flows were positive. Open-end net outflows of $1.8 billion compared with $1.3 billion last quarter and included positive net flows in fixed income.

Mike Angerthal: Wealth management sales were at their highest level since Q4 2023. Open-end fund sales declined 14% to $2.6 billion as higher ETF sales were more than offset by lower US retail and global funds. Total net outflows improved to $5.6 billion from $8.4 billion last quarter. By product, institutional net outflows of $0.7 billion improved meaningfully from $3.2 billion last quarter, driven by both higher sales and lower redemptions, and represented our best quarter of institutional flows in nearly three years. The majority of the redemptions continued to be concentrated in quality-oriented equity strategies. Retail separate account net outflows of $3.1 billion improved from $3.9 billion last quarter, with the outflows driven by intermediary sold quality-oriented equities. Wealth management net flows were positive. Open-end net outflows of $1.8 billion compared with $1.3 billion last quarter and included positive net flows in fixed income.

Speaker #3: Open-end fund sales declined 14% to $2.6 billion, as higher ETF sales were more than offset by lower US retail and global funds.

Speaker #2: Total net outflows improved to $5.6 billion, from $8.4 billion last quarter.

Speaker #3: By product, institutional net outflows of $0.7 billion improved meaningfully, from $3.2 billion last quarter, driven by both higher sales and lower redemptions, and represented our best quarter of institutional flows in nearly three years.

Speaker #2: The majority of the redemptions continued to be concentrated in quality-oriented equity strategies.

Speaker #3: Retail separate account net outflows of $3.1 billion improved from $3.9 billion last quarter, with the outflows driven by intermediary-sold, quality-oriented equities.

Speaker #2: Wealth management net flows were positive.

Speaker #3: Open-end net outflows of $1.8 billion compared with $1.3 billion last quarter, and included positive net flows in fixed income.

Speaker #2: Within open-end funds, ETFs continued to grow, generating $0.3 billion of positive net flows and sustaining a strong double-digit organic growth rate.

Michael Angerthal: Within open-end funds, ETFs continued to grow, generating $0.3 billion of positive net flows and sustaining a strong double-digit organic growth rate. For closed-end funds and tender offer funds, we reported essentially breakeven net flows. Turning to slide nine, investment management fees, as adjusted, were $164.8 million, up 1%, as a higher average fee rate was partially offset by lower average assets. The average fee rate of 43.1 basis points up from 41.9 basis points last quarter, and included approximately 1.2 basis points of incentive fees. For modeling purposes, the Q2 fee rate is reasonable. As always, the fee rate will vary with market levels and asset mix. Slide 10 shows the five-quarter trend in employment expenses.

Mike Angerthal: Within open-end funds, ETFs continued to grow, generating $0.3 billion of positive net flows and sustaining a strong double-digit organic growth rate. For closed-end funds and tender offer funds, we reported essentially breakeven net flows. Turning to slide nine, investment management fees, as adjusted, were $164.8 million, up 1%, as a higher average fee rate was partially offset by lower average assets. The average fee rate of 43.1 basis points up from 41.9 basis points last quarter, and included approximately 1.2 basis points of incentive fees. For modeling purposes, the Q2 fee rate is reasonable. As always, the fee rate will vary with market levels and asset mix. Slide 10 shows the five-quarter trend in employment expenses.

Speaker #3: For closed-end funds and tender offer funds, we reported essentially break-even net flows.

Speaker #2: Turning to slide 9, investment management fees has adjusted were $164.8 million, up 1%, as a higher average fee rate was partially offset by lower average assets.

Speaker #3: The average fee rate of $43.1 basis points up from $41.9 basis points last quarter, and included approximately $1.2 basis points of incentive fees.

Speaker #2: For modeling purposes, the second quarter fee rate is reasonable.

Speaker #3: And as always, the fee rate will vary with market levels and asset mix.

Speaker #2: Slide 10 shows the five-quarter trend in employment expenses. Total employment expenses, as adjusted, of $102.1 million declined 4% sequentially, reflecting the impact of prior quarter seasonal items, partially offset by a full quarter of expenses for a new manager and a $3.8 million discrete expense item.

Michael Angerthal: Total employment expenses, as adjusted of $102.1 million, declined 4% sequentially, reflecting the impact of prior quarter seasonal items, partially offset by a full quarter of expenses of a new manager and a $3.8 million discrete expense item. This non-recurring item consisted of a non-cash expense related to multiple annual investment professional stock-based awards that were fully expensed, primarily due to required acceleration upon achievement of employee retirement eligibility in the quarter. These multi-year performance-based awards will fluctuate over the measurement periods and are currently marked at the maximum level of the award's performance range. As a percentage of revenue, employment expenses were 55.6%, or 53.5% excluding the discrete item, essentially in line with our outlook. For modeling purposes, 54% is a reasonable level for Q3. As always, results will vary with flows and market performance.

Mike Angerthal: Total employment expenses, as adjusted of $102.1 million, declined 4% sequentially, reflecting the impact of prior quarter seasonal items, partially offset by a full quarter of expenses of a new manager and a $3.8 million discrete expense item. This non-recurring item consisted of a non-cash expense related to multiple annual investment professional stock-based awards that were fully expensed, primarily due to required acceleration upon achievement of employee retirement eligibility in the quarter. These multi-year performance-based awards will fluctuate over the measurement periods and are currently marked at the maximum level of the award's performance range. As a percentage of revenue, employment expenses were 55.6%, or 53.5% excluding the discrete item, essentially in line with our outlook. For modeling purposes, 54% is a reasonable level for Q3. As always, results will vary with flows and market performance.

Speaker #3: This non-recurring item consisted of a non-cash expense related to multiple annual investment professional stock-based awards that were fully expensed, primarily due to required acceleration upon achievement of employee retirement eligibility in the quarter.

Speaker #2: These multi-year performance-based awards will fluctuate over the measurement periods, and are currently marked at the maximum level of the award's performance range.

Speaker #3: As a percentage of revenue, employment expenses were 55.6%, or 53.5%, excluding the discrete item, essentially in line with our outlook.

Speaker #2: For modeling purposes, 54% is a reasonable level for the third quarter, as always, results will vary with flows and market performance.

Speaker #3: Turning to slide 11, other operating expenses as adjusted were $31.9 million and included the annual equity grant to the board of directors of 0.7 million.

Michael Angerthal: Turning to slide 11, other operating expenses as adjusted were $31.9 million and included the annual equity grant to the board of directors of $0.7 million. Excluding the grant, the modest increase in other operating expenses reflected the full quarter impact of a new manager. I would note that even with that addition, other operating expenses declined modestly compared with the prior year period. For modeling purposes, a quarterly range of $30 to $32 million is reasonable going forward. Slide 12 illustrates the trend in earnings. Operating income, as adjusted, of $47.9 million increased from $43.8 million due to prior quarter seasonality and higher investment management fees, partially offset by the discrete item. The operating margin, as adjusted, was 26.1%, or 28.2%, excluding the discrete item. With respect to non-operating items, interest expense increased by $0.4 million due to higher average gross debt.

Mike Angerthal: Turning to slide 11, other operating expenses as adjusted were $31.9 million and included the annual equity grant to the board of directors of $0.7 million. Excluding the grant, the modest increase in other operating expenses reflected the full quarter impact of a new manager. I would note that even with that addition, other operating expenses declined modestly compared with the prior year period. For modeling purposes, a quarterly range of $30 to $32 million is reasonable going forward. Slide 12 illustrates the trend in earnings. Operating income, as adjusted, of $47.9 million increased from $43.8 million due to prior quarter seasonality and higher investment management fees, partially offset by the discrete item. The operating margin, as adjusted, was 26.1%, or 28.2%, excluding the discrete item. With respect to non-operating items, interest expense increased by $0.4 million due to higher average gross debt.

Speaker #2: Excluding the grant, the modest increase in other operating expenses reflected the full-quarter impact.

Speaker #3: Of a new manager.

Speaker #2: I would note that even with that addition, other operating expenses declined modestly, compared with the prior year period.

Speaker #3: For modeling purposes, a quarterly range of $30 to $32 million is reasonable going forward.

Speaker #2: Slide 12 illustrates the trend in earnings.

Speaker #3: Operating income as adjusted of $47.9 million increased from $43.8 million due to prior quarter seasonality and higher investment management fees, partially offset by the discrete item. The operating margin as adjusted was 26.1%, or 28.2% excluding the discrete item.

Speaker #2: With respect to non-operating items.

Speaker #3: Interest expense increased by 0.4 million due to higher average gross debt, with the repayment of a portion of the credit facility during the quarter we would anticipate a modest decline in interest expense in the third quarter.

Michael Angerthal: With the repayment of a portion of the credit facility during the quarter, we would anticipate a modest decline in interest expense in Q3. Turning to income taxes, our effective tax rate for Q2 was 13.3%, essentially unchanged from the prior quarter level. As a reminder, our effective tax rate includes the economic benefit of our intangible tax assets. Looking ahead, an effective tax rate in a range of 13% to 14% would be reasonable to expect. Net income, as adjusted, of $5.54 per diluted share included the $0.43 discrete expense item. The increase from $5.38 in the prior quarter reflected Q1 seasonality and higher revenues. Slide 13 shows the trend of our capital liquidity and select balance sheet items.

Mike Angerthal: With the repayment of a portion of the credit facility during the quarter, we would anticipate a modest decline in interest expense in Q3. Turning to income taxes, our effective tax rate for Q2 was 13.3%, essentially unchanged from the prior quarter level. As a reminder, our effective tax rate includes the economic benefit of our intangible tax assets. Looking ahead, an effective tax rate in a range of 13% to 14% would be reasonable to expect. Net income, as adjusted, of $5.54 per diluted share included the $0.43 discrete expense item. The increase from $5.38 in the prior quarter reflected Q1 seasonality and higher revenues. Slide 13 shows the trend of our capital liquidity and select balance sheet items.

Speaker #2: Turning to income taxes are effective tax rate for the second quarter was 13.3%, essentially unchanged from the prior quarter level.

Speaker #3: As a reminder, our effective tax rate includes the economic benefit of our intangible tax assets.

Speaker #2: Looking ahead, an effective tax rate in a range of 13% to 14% would be reasonable to expect.

Speaker #3: Net income as adjusted of $5.54 per diluted share included the $0.43 discrete expense item.

Speaker #2: The increase from $5.38 in the prior quarter reflected first quarter seasonality and higher revenues.

Speaker #3: Slide 13 shows the trend of our capital liquidity and select balance sheet items.

Speaker #2: Cash and equivalents at June 30th were $176 million, up from the prior quarter due to cash earnings in excess of return of capital and repayment of debt.

Michael Angerthal: Cash and equivalents at 30 June were $176 million, up from the prior quarter due to cash earnings in excess of return of capital and repayment of debt. In addition, we had $273 million of other investments, including seed capital to support future growth opportunities. Return of capital to shareholders in Q2 included the repurchase of 70,097 shares of common stock for $10 million. We also repaid $20 million of the outstanding amount on our revolving credit facility and anticipate repaying the remaining $30 million in the short term. Gross debt at the end of the quarter was $427 million, down from $448 million at 31 March. Net debt was $251 million, or 0.9x EBITDA. With that, let me turn the call back over to George. George?

Mike Angerthal: Cash and equivalents at 30 June were $176 million, up from the prior quarter due to cash earnings in excess of return of capital and repayment of debt. In addition, we had $273 million of other investments, including seed capital to support future growth opportunities. Return of capital to shareholders in Q2 included the repurchase of 70,097 shares of common stock for $10 million. We also repaid $20 million of the outstanding amount on our revolving credit facility and anticipate repaying the remaining $30 million in the short term. Gross debt at the end of the quarter was $427 million, down from $448 million at 31 March. Net debt was $251 million, or 0.9x EBITDA. With that, let me turn the call back over to George. George?

Speaker #3: In addition, we had $273 million of other investments, including seed capital, to support future growth opportunities.

Speaker #2: Return of capital to shareholders in the second quarter included the repurchase of 70,097 shares of common stock for $10 million.

Speaker #3: We also repaid $20 million of the outstanding amount on our revolving credit facility and anticipate repaying the remaining $30 million in the short term.

Speaker #2: Gross debt at the end of the quarter was $427 million, down from $448 million at March 31st.

Speaker #3: Net debt was $251 million, or 0.9 times EBITDA.

Speaker #2: And with that, let me turn the call back over to George. George, thank you, Mike. We will now take your questions. Jacinda, would you open up the lines, please?

George Aylward: Thank you, Mike. We will now take your questions. Jacinda, would you open up the lines, please?

Speaker #4: Thank you. At this time, we will conduct the question-answer session. As a reminder to ask a question you will need to press star 11 on your telephone.

Operator: Thank you. At this time, we will conduct the question answer session. As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from William Katz at TD Cowen.

Speaker #4: And wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster.

Speaker #4: Our first question comes from Bill Katz at TD Cohen.

Bradley Hayes: Hi, it's Bradley Hayes on for William Katz. George, maybe one for you to start. While quality equities broadly lagged, you've gotten strong performance in fixed income and alts continue to trend favorably. What's driving some of the strength in those two buckets and maybe some color on upturn potential within equities?

Speaker #5: Hi, it's Bradley Hazon for Bill Katz. George, maybe one for you to start. While quality equity is broadly lagged, you've gotten strong performance in fixed income and alt continue to trend favorably.

Speaker #5: What's driving some of the strength in those two buckets, and maybe some color on upturn potential within equities?

Speaker #6: Sure. So as you know, the overweight we have to quality equity is really overshadowed quite a bit, because as you referenced, we've had positive flows in fixed income, alternatives, multi-asset, etc.

George Aylward: Sure. As you know, the overweight we have to quality equities really overshadowed quite a bit because as you referenced, we've had positive flows in fixed income, alternatives, multi-asset, et cetera. In our fixed income, we have several capabilities, from the multi-sector to emerging market debt, leveraged loans, and investment grade. Generally, all of them have performed well, and we've seen assets increase in several of the various product structures. On the alternative side, again, for alternatives, we do include listed securities like REITs and global REIT. As we called out in the quarter, we're very pleased to have a large inflow into a global listed REIT capability. Then in our other equity strategies that are not quality oriented, we have seen growth in those for several quarters. Just given their relative size, it has not yet been as noticeable.

Speaker #6: So in our fixed income, we have several capabilities, right, from the multi-sector to emerging market debt. Leveraged loans and investment grade. And generally, all of them have performed well, and we've seen assets increase in several of the various product structures.

Speaker #6: On the alternative side, and again, for alternatives, we do include listed securities like REITs and global REIT, and as we called out in the quarter, we had a very pleased to have a large inflow into a global listed REIT capability.

Speaker #6: And then in our other equity strategies that are not quality-oriented, we have seen growth in those for several quarters, just given their relative size.

Speaker #6: It has not yet been as noticeable. We're optimistic that that can change going forward. So I think all of those areas on their own are actually in a very competitive opportunity and we would ultimately expect them hopefully to continue to grow, but again, the overshadowing of the quality is obviously there.

George Aylward: I think all of those areas on their own are actually in a very competitive opportunity, and we would ultimately expect them, hopefully, to continue to grow. Again, the overshadowing of the quality is obviously there. We were pleased to see a reduction in the level of outflows, just given that the outflows have come down a bit. Sales have also gone up. As we were very clear in saying, while it's only really a short period of time, it was very nice to see a full month so far of significant outperformance in some of the select quality-oriented strategies. Again, that is the statement that those types of strategies want to make, that when they're in favor, they can have significant performance, and some of those strategies, as we indicated, were meaningfully strong.

Speaker #6: We were pleased to see a reduction in the level of outflows, just given that the outflows have come down a bit, but sales have also gone up.

Speaker #6: And as we're very clear in saying, while it's only really a short period of time, it was very nice to see a full month so far of significant outperformance in some of the select quality-oriented strategies.

Speaker #6: Again, that is the statement that those types of strategies want to make, that when they're in favor, they can have significant performance in some of those strategies as we indicated were meaningfully strong.

Speaker #6: Again, short period of time, too early to know whether the tide is turning, but again, from our perspective, it shows why investors should be diversified into different types of strategies so that you can balance out the cycles of different equity strategies.

George Aylward: Again, short period of time, too early to know whether the tide is turning. Again, from our perspective, it shows why investors should be diversified into different types of strategies so that you can balance out the cycles of different equity strategies.

Bradley Hayes: Makes sense. Maybe a bit more of a narrow question. On the lumpy comp expense, anything to be aware of in the coming quarters or in 2027? Related to that, how much of the Q3 comp guide is driven by future discrete items?

Speaker #5: Makes sense. So then maybe a bit more of a narrow question. On the lumpy comp expense, anything to be aware of in the coming quarters or in '27?

Speaker #5: And related to that, how much of this Q3 comp guide is driven by future discrete items?

Speaker #6: Yeah. I think going forward guide at 54% just takes into account the current state of the business. I think the discrete item was just that.

Michael Angerthal: Yeah. I think the going-forward guide at 54% just takes into account the current state of the business. I think the discrete item was just that. It was stock-based and an acceleration of multi-years of performance-based investments, professional awards. The good news is there was strong investment performance, as George alluded to, across strategies that, given the retirement eligibility, was all recognized in one quarter. Going forward, I would expect 54% to be the right level for modeling.

Mike Angerthal: Yeah. I think the going-forward guide at 54% just takes into account the current state of the business. I think the discrete item was just that. It was stock-based and an acceleration of multi-years of performance-based investments, professional awards. The good news is there was strong investment performance, as George alluded to, across strategies that, given the retirement eligibility, was all recognized in one quarter. Going forward, I would expect 54% to be the right level for modeling.

Speaker #6: It was stock-based and an acceleration of multi-years of performance-based investments, professional awards. So the good news is there were strong investment performance. As George alluded to, across strategies, that given the retirement eligibility was all recognized in one quarter.

Speaker #6: But going forward, I would expect 54% to be the right level for modeling.

George Aylward: Depending on revenue, because revenue actually, in some ways, impacts that margin almost more in some quarters than the employment expense.

Speaker #2: Ben Elm Revenue, because revenue actually in some ways impacts that margin almost more in some quarters than the employment expense.

Bradley Hayes: Makes sense. Then you mentioned expecting to issue a CLO later this year. Any color on size, timing, or perhaps capital to be invested on your end?

Speaker #5: Makes sense. And then you mentioned expecting to issue a CLO later this year. Any color on size, timing, or perhaps capital to be invested on your end?

Speaker #6: Well, historically, the last few that we've done, we've sized in three to four hundred million range. And generally, I think they've been in the mid-20s to low 30 million range in terms of capital.

George Aylward: Historically, the last few that we've done, we've sized in the $300 to 400 million range. Generally, I think they've been in the mid-20s to low $30 million range in terms of capital. Again, too early to give the specifics on that, but that's generally the range that we have previously targeted and is reasonable for going forward.

Speaker #6: Again, it's too early to give the specifics on that, but that's generally the range that we have previously targeted and is reasonable for going forward.

Speaker #5: Thank you.

Bradley Hayes: Thank you.

Speaker #6: Thank you.

George Aylward: Thank you.

Speaker #4: Our next question comes from Ben Graham at Piper Sandler.

Operator: Our next question comes from Ben Graham at Piper Sandler.

Speaker #2: Hi, good morning. Thanks so much for taking my questions. I'm looking just for an update on Keystone, particularly First Brands exposures. Keystone funds have exposures to a good size of loans that Keystone has self-identified as being in default or tied to a bankruptcy, based on its portfolio of investment supports.

Ben Graham: Hi. Good morning. Thanks so much for taking my questions. I'm looking just for an update on Keystone, particularly First Brands' exposures. Keystone funds have exposures to a good size of loans that Keystone has self-identified as being in default or tied to a bankruptcy based on its portfolio of investments reports, but they're marked at par or around par. Just wondering if you could give an update there. Just why does it make sense for those to be marked that way and carried at par or near par? Thank you.

Speaker #2: But they're marked at par or around par. So just wondering if you could give an update there—just why does it make sense for those to be marked that way and carry at par or near par?

Speaker #2: Thank you.

Speaker #6: Yeah. Again, we previously commented on that the Keystone fund had exposure to first brands, and there is exposure out there. And again, the way that it is structured, it has not had implications and is not the level that you may be thinking about.

George Aylward: Yeah. Again, we previously commented on that the Keystone Fund had exposure to First Brands, and there is exposure out there. Again, the way that it is structured has not had implications, and is not at the level that you may be thinking about. Currently, there is no update in terms of any kind of impact, the expectation is that there should not be any further impacts. I don't understand your specific question. I'm not sure what you were asking. Are you talking about something in a filing?

Speaker #6: So currently, there is no update in terms of any kind of impact with the expectation is that there should not be any further impacts I don't understand your specific question.

Speaker #6: I'm not sure what you were asking. Are you talking about something in a filing?

Speaker #5: Sorry?

Ben Graham: Sorry?

Speaker #6: Can you repeat that? I could not get the specific nature of your question.

George Aylward: Can you repeat that? I could not get the specific nature of your question.

Speaker #5: Okay. Of course. Yes. So just wondering if for the loans that Keystone is self-identified as being in default or tied to a bankruptcy, they're marked at par or around par.

Ben Graham: Okay. Of course, yeah. Just wondering if for the loans that Keystone has self-identified as being in default or tied to a bankruptcy, they're marked at par or around par. I'm just wondering what the rationale there is, or if it makes sense to be marked that way or carried at par or near par.

Speaker #5: So I'm just wondering kind of what the rationale there is. Or if it makes sense to be marked that way or carried at par or near par.

Speaker #6: When you say I'm sorry, I don't know which loan or again, they do financing and there are exposures. And they use standard methodologies for mark-to-mark.

George Aylward: When you say I'm sorry, I don't know what loan are you. Again, they do financing, and there are exposures, and they use standard methodologies for mark-to-marks. Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm not clear on specifically what you're referring to marked at what.

Speaker #6: So, yeah, I'm sorry. I'm not clear on specifically what you're referring to—marked at what.

Speaker #5: No, that, to be honest, that kind of gave me the color I was looking for there, so I appreciate it. I can move on.

Ben Graham: No. To be honest, that kind of gave me the color I was looking for there. I appreciate it. I can move on. I just had another question as well just on flows. More specifically on how they remain concentrated in your quality-oriented equity strategies. I'm just wondering also if you see this primarily as a style or performance cycle issue that would reverse with perhaps a rotation back to quality, or if it's more of a structural or distribution-related redemptions embedded that persist regardless of performance there.

Speaker #5: I just had another question as well, just on flows. More specifically on how they remain concentrated in your quality-oriented equity strategies. I'm just wondering also if you see this primarily as a style or performance cycle issue that would reverse with perhaps a rotation back to quality?

Speaker #5: Or if it's more of a structural or distribution-related redemptions embedded that persist regardless of performance there.

Speaker #6: Yeah. No. I mean, our view is that this really is a cyclical matter where our quality-oriented strategies, when they have been in favor, and have generated strong performance, have been our biggest asset gatherers.

George Aylward: Yeah. No, our view is that this really is a cyclical matter where our quality-oriented strategies, when they have been in favor and have generated strong performance, have been our biggest asset gatherers. In this very, from our perspective, painful period over the last 2 years, where the factors that are included in quality have significantly underperformed momentum, they have driven those outflows. We do not think that the strategies themselves are doing anything other than sticking to their knitting. Again, their stock selection will be based upon factors that the market has not been rewarding as much as more momentum names.

Speaker #6: And in this very, from our perspective, painful period over the last two years, where the factors that are included in quality have significantly underperformed momentum, they have driven those outflows, we do not think that the strategies themselves are doing anything other than sticking to their knitting.

Speaker #6: But again, their stock selection will be based upon factors that the market has not been rewarding as much as more momentum names. Again, so we're hopeful that as the cycle changes and again, we've seen a very short period of time, but it does show the impact of going from things that are in the bottom percent all the way up to the top percent in a very short period of time, depending upon the cycle changes.

George Aylward: Again, we're hopeful that as the cycle changes, again, we've seen a very short period of time, but it does show the impact of going from things that are in the bottom percent all the way up to the top percent in a very short period of time, depending upon the cycle changes. We do look at that as more of a market cycle in and out of favor as opposed to anything else.

Speaker #6: So we do look at that as more of a market cycle in and out of favor, as opposed to anything else.

Speaker #5: Awesome. Okay, I really appreciate the color there. I'll step back, but thanks so much for taking my questions.

Ben Graham: Awesome. Okay. I really appreciate the color there. I'll step back, thanks so much for taking my questions.

Speaker #6: Great. Thank you very much.

George Aylward: Great. Thank you very much.

Operator: This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Aylward.

Speaker #4: This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Aylward.

Speaker #6: I want to thank everyone for joining us today. And certainly encourage you to reach out if you have any other further questions. Thank you.

George Aylward: I want to thank everyone for joining us today and certainly encourage you to reach out if you have any other further questions. Thank you.

Operator: That concludes today's call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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