Q1 2026 Assured Guaranty Ltd Earnings Call
Operator 3: Welcome to the Assured Guaranty Ltd. Q1 2026 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Ed, and I'll be the operator for today's call. All participants are currently in a listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing star zero on your telephone keypad. After the presentation, there'll be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star one to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star one again. Please note that this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to our host, Robert Tucker, Senior Managing Director, Investor Relations and Corporate Communications. Please go ahead.
Operator: Welcome to the Assured Guaranty Limited Q1 2026 Earnings Conference Call. My name is [Ed], and I'll be the operator for today's call. All participants are currently in a listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing star zero on your telephone keypad. After the presentation, there'll be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star one to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star one again. Please note that this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to our host, Robert Tucker, Senior Managing Director, Investor Relations and Corporate Communications. Please go ahead.
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Speaker #3: I would now like to turn the conference over to our host, Robert Tucker. Senior Managing Director, Investor Relations, and Corporate Communications, please go ahead.
Speaker #2: Thank you, operator, and thank you all for joining Assured Guaranty for our first quarter 2026 financial results conference call. Today's presentation is made pursuant to the Safe Harbor Provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.
Robert Tucker: Thank you, operator, and thank you all for joining Assured Guaranty for our Q1 2026 financial results conference call. Today's presentation is made pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. The presentation may contain forward-looking statements about our new business and credit outlooks, market conditions, credit spreads, financial ratings, loss reserves, financial results, or other items that may affect our future results. These statements are subject to change due to new information or future events. Therefore, you should not place undue reliance on them as we do not undertake any obligation to publicly update or revise them except as required by law. If you are listening to a replay of this call or if you are reading the transcript of the call, please note that our statements made today may have been updated since this call.
Robert Tucker: Thank you, operator, and thank you all for joining Assured Guaranty for our Q1 2026 financial results conference call. Today's presentation is made pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. The presentation may contain forward-looking statements about our new business and credit outlooks, market conditions, credit spreads, financial ratings, loss reserves, financial results, or other items that may affect our future results. These statements are subject to change due to new information or future events. Therefore, you should not place undue reliance on them as we do not undertake any obligation to publicly update or revise them except as required by law. If you are listening to a replay of this call or if you are reading the transcript of the call, please note that our statements made today may have been updated since this call.
Speaker #2: The presentation may contain forward-looking statements about our new business and credit spreads, financial ratings, loss reserves, financial results, or other items that may affect our future results.
Speaker #2: These statements are subject to change due to new information our future events. Therefore, you should not place under reliance on them, as we do not undertake any obligation to publish the update or revise them except as required by law.
Speaker #2: If you're listening to a replay of this call, or if you are reading the transcript of the call, please note that our statements made today may have been updated since this call.
Speaker #2: Please refer to the Investor Information section of our website for our most recent presentations at SEC filings, most current financial filings, and for the risk factors.
Robert Tucker: Please refer to the investor information section of our website for our most recent presentations and SEC filings, both current financial filings and for the risk factors. This presentation also includes references to non-GAAP financial measures. We present the GAAP financial measures most directly comparable to the non-GAAP financial measures referenced in this presentation, along with a reconciliation between such GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures in our current financial supplement and equity investor presentation, which are on our website at AssuredGuaranty.com. Turning to the presentation, our speakers today are Dominic Frederico, President and Chief Executive Officer of Assured Guaranty Ltd.; Robert Bailenson, our Chief Operating Officer; and Benjamin Rosenblum, our Chief Financial Officer. After their remarks, we'll open the call to your questions. As the webcast is not enabled for Q&A, please dial into the call if you'd like to ask a question.
Robert Tucker: Please refer to the investor information section of our website for our most recent presentations and SEC filings, both current financial filings and for the risk factors. This presentation also includes references to non-GAAP financial measures. We present the GAAP financial measures most directly comparable to the non-GAAP financial measures referenced in this presentation, along with a reconciliation between such GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures in our current financial supplement and equity investor presentation, which are on our website at AssuredGuaranty.com. Turning to the presentation, our speakers today are Dominic Frederico, President and Chief Executive Officer of Assured Guaranty Ltd.; Robert Bailenson, our Chief Operating Officer; and Benjamin Rosenblum, our Chief Financial Officer. After their remarks, we'll open the call to your questions. As the webcast is not enabled for Q&A, please dial into the call if you'd like to ask a question.
Speaker #2: This presentation also includes references to non-GAAP financial measures. We present the GAAP financial measures most directly comparable to the non-GAAP financial measures referenced in this presentation, along with a reconciliation between such GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures and our current financial supplement and equity investor presentation, which are on our website at assuredguarantee.com.
Speaker #2: Turning to the presentation, our speakers today are Dominic Frederico, President and Chief Executive Officer of ASSURED GUARANTY LTD; Rob Bailenson, our Chief Operating Officer; and Ben Rosenblum, our Chief Financial Officer.
Speaker #2: After their remarks, we'll open the call to your questions. As the webcast is not enabled for Q&A, please dial into the call if you'd like to ask a question.
Speaker #2: I will now turn the call over to Dominic.
Robert Tucker: I will now turn the call over to Dominic.
Robert Tucker: I will now turn the call over to Dominic.
Speaker #3: Thank you, Robert, and welcome to everyone joining today's call. ASSURED GUARANTY began 2026 with a strong first quarter. The quarter is adjusted operating income per share came in at $2.50.
Dominic Frederico: Thank you, Robert, and welcome to everyone joining today's call. Assured Guaranty began 2026 with a strong Q1. The quarter's adjusted operating income per share came in at $2.50. Our new business production generated $73 million of PVP, almost twice the PVP of last year's Q1 as we saw increases for each of our 3 financial guarantee underwriting groups. Rob will fill in the production details in a few minutes. We also produced $44 million of adjusted operating income in our asset management segment during the Q1 of 2026, nearly 4 times the amount produced in the Q1 of 2025. Our pivot to increasing the proportion of alternative investments in our overall investment portfolio over the past few years has increased the all-in return of the investment portfolio.
Dominic Frederico: Thank you, Robert, and welcome to everyone joining today's call. Assured Guaranty began 2026 with a strong Q1. The quarter's adjusted operating income per share came in at $2.50. Our new business production generated $73 million of PVP, almost twice the PVP of last year's Q1 as we saw increases for each of our 3 financial guarantee underwriting groups. Rob will fill in the production details in a few minutes. We also produced $44 million of adjusted operating income in our asset management segment during the Q1 of 2026, nearly 4 times the amount produced in the Q1 of 2025. Our pivot to increasing the proportion of alternative investments in our overall investment portfolio over the past few years has increased the all-in return of the investment portfolio.
Speaker #3: Our new business production generated $73 million of PVP, almost twice the PVP of last year's first quarter, as we saw increases for each of our three financial guarantee underwriting groups.
Speaker #3: Rob will fill in the production details in a few minutes. We also produced $44 million of adjusted operating income in our asset management segment during the first quarter of 2026, nearly four times the amount produced in the first quarter of 2025.
Speaker #3: Our pivot to increasing the proportion of alternative investments in our overall investment portfolio over the past few years has increased the all-in return of the investment portfolio.
Speaker #3: The inception to date annualized internal rate of return for all of our alternative investments was 12% at the end of the first quarter 2026.
Dominic Frederico: The inception to date annualized internal rate of return for all of our alternative investments was 12% at the end of Q1 2026. The Assured Life Re team has received positive feedback from potential customers with clear interest in our AA insurance for AGM, as well as general market desire for fresh reinsurance capacity. Currently, we've had positive discussions with potential partners in the US MICRA market and in the UK PRT market, in addition to interest from other non-US potential partners. We made good progress integrating our staff with experienced employees already employed by Assured Life Re. Annuity reinsurance exemplifies the type of business opportunities we look for, those which will further diversify the company, create synergies with our existing business lines, generate attractive returns, have risk profiles in line with ours, and benefit from our core competencies.
Dominic Frederico: The inception to date annualized internal rate of return for all of our alternative investments was 12% at the end of Q1 2026. The Assured Life Re team has received positive feedback from potential customers with clear interest in our AA insurance for AGM, as well as general market desire for fresh reinsurance capacity. Currently, we've had positive discussions with potential partners in the US MICRA market and in the UK PRT market, in addition to interest from other non-US potential partners. We made good progress integrating our staff with experienced employees already employed by Assured Life Re. Annuity reinsurance exemplifies the type of business opportunities we look for, those which will further diversify the company, create synergies with our existing business lines, generate attractive returns, have risk profiles in line with ours, and benefit from our core competencies.
Speaker #3: The ASSURED LIFE REIT team has received positive feedback from potential customers with clear interest in our double A insurance for Mag Grove, as well as general market desire for fresh reinsurance capacity.
Speaker #3: Currently, we've had positive discussions with potential partners in the U.S. MAGA market and in the U.K. PRT market, in addition to interest from other non-U.S. potential partners.
Speaker #3: We've made good progress integrating our staff with experienced employees already employed by ASSURED LIFE REIT. Annuity reinsurance exemptifies the type of business opportunities we look for.
Speaker #3: Those which will further diversify the company create synergies with our existing business lines, generate attractive returns, have risk profiles in line with ours, and benefit from our core competencies.
Speaker #3: Economic uncertainty, political and geopolitical discord, and war permeate the news and fashions I've been seeing recently. Investors understandably find high-quality municipal bonds attractive. Our guarantee can expand the supply of high-quality bonds and, in certain cases, reduce the borrowing costs and support the market value of even naturally double-A-rated municipal bonds.
Dominic Frederico: Economic uncertainty, political and geopolitical discord, and war permeate the news investors have been seeing recently. Investors understandably find high-quality municipal bonds attractive. Our guarantee can expand the supply of high-quality bonds and, in certain cases, reduce the borrowing costs and support the market value of even naturally double A-rated municipal bonds. We believe municipal bond issuance will have another strong year. We're off to a good start for 2026. I believe our financial guarantee business will provide us with many insurance opportunities as we continue to expand our business in US municipals, global infrastructure, and structured finance. We're also focused on building out our new annuity reinsurance business and on managing our capital prudently and profitably to support the growth in these businesses while protecting our policyholders and rewarding our shareholders. I will now turn the call over to Rob to provide more details about our production results.
Dominic Frederico: Economic uncertainty, political and geopolitical discord, and war permeate the news investors have been seeing recently. Investors understandably find high-quality municipal bonds attractive. Our guarantee can expand the supply of high-quality bonds and, in certain cases, reduce the borrowing costs and support the market value of even naturally double A-rated municipal bonds. We believe municipal bond issuance will have another strong year. We're off to a good start for 2026. I believe our financial guarantee business will provide us with many insurance opportunities as we continue to expand our business in US municipals, global infrastructure, and structured finance. We're also focused on building out our new annuity reinsurance business and on managing our capital prudently and profitably to support the growth in these businesses while protecting our policyholders and rewarding our shareholders. I will now turn the call over to Rob to provide more details about our production results.
Speaker #3: We believe municipal bond issuance will have another strong year. We're off to a good start for 2026, and I believe our financial guarantee business will provide us with many insurance opportunities as we continue to expand our business in U.S. municipals, global infrastructure, and structured finance.
Speaker #3: There are also focus on building out our new annuity reinsurance business and on managing our capital prudently and profitably to support the growth in these businesses while protecting our policyholders and rewarding our shareholders.
Speaker #3: I will now turn the call over to Rob to provide more details about our production results.
Speaker #2: Thank you, Dominic, and good morning to everyone on the call. Assured Guaranty closed $73 million of PVP in the first quarter of 2026, compared with $39 million of PVP in the first quarter of last year.
Rob Bailenson: Thank you, Dominic, good morning to everyone on the call. Assured Guaranty closed $73 million of PVP in Q1 2026, compared with $39 million of PVP in Q1 last year. Year-over-year, total PVP and US public finance PVP each nearly doubled their Q1 results, and structured finance more than doubled its PVP result. US public finance led the way in PVP production with a 92% year-over-year increase to $48 million of PVP. Non-US public finance and global structured finance contributed $8 million and $17 million of PVP, respectively. For Q1 2026, Assured Guaranty continued to guarantee the majority of insured municipal par issued at 53%. We insured $4 billion of par in the primary and secondary markets on a closed date basis.
Rob Bailenson: Thank you, Dominic, good morning to everyone on the call. Assured Guaranty closed $73 million of PVP in Q1 2026, compared with $39 million of PVP in Q1 last year. Year-over-year, total PVP and US public finance PVP each nearly doubled their Q1 results, and structured finance more than doubled its PVP result. US public finance led the way in PVP production with a 92% year-over-year increase to $48 million of PVP. Non-US public finance and global structured finance contributed $8 million and $17 million of PVP, respectively. For Q1 2026, Assured Guaranty continued to guarantee the majority of insured municipal par issued at 53%. We insured $4 billion of par in the primary and secondary markets on a closed date basis.
Speaker #2: Year over year, total PVP and US public finance PVP each nearly doubled their first quarter results. In structured finance, more than doubled its PVP result.
Speaker #2: US public finance led the way in PVP production, with a 92% year-over-year increase to $48 million of PVP. Non-US public finance and global structured finance contributed $8 million and $17 million of PVP, respectively.
Speaker #2: For the first quarter of 2026, ASSURED GUARANTY continued to guarantee the majority of insured municipal PAR issued at 53%. We insured $4 billion of PAR in the primary and secondary markets on a closed date basis.
Speaker #2: Market conditions and our mix of business allowed us to produce significantly more PVP than in first quarter 2025, while taking on less nominal exposure.
Rob Bailenson: Market conditions and our mix of business allowed us to produce significantly more PVP than in Q1 2025, while taking on less nominal exposure. In the secondary market, during Q1 2026, we issued 227 policies compared to 144 policies in Q1 of last year. Our Guaranty has been instrumental in supporting large transactions within the municipal bond market, highlighting the institutional demand for our Guaranty. This interest demonstrates that institutions are increasingly acknowledging the benefits our insurance provides, including greater price stability and improved market liquidity. Our Guaranty also allows issuers to attract a broader, often more diversified base of investors, reduce borrowing costs, or raise more proceeds without increasing interest rate costs.
Rob Bailenson: Market conditions and our mix of business allowed us to produce significantly more PVP than in Q1 2025, while taking on less nominal exposure. In the secondary market, during Q1 2026, we issued 227 policies compared to 144 policies in Q1 of last year. Our Guaranty has been instrumental in supporting large transactions within the municipal bond market, highlighting the institutional demand for our Guaranty. This interest demonstrates that institutions are increasingly acknowledging the benefits our insurance provides, including greater price stability and improved market liquidity. Our Guaranty also allows issuers to attract a broader, often more diversified base of investors, reduce borrowing costs, or raise more proceeds without increasing interest rate costs.
Speaker #2: In the secondary market, during the first quarter of 2026, we issued $227 policies compared to $144 policies in the first quarter of last year.
Speaker #2: Our guarantee has been instrumental in supporting large transactions within the municipal bond market, highlighting the institutional demand for our guarantee. This interest demonstrates that institutions are increasingly acknowledging the benefits our insurance provides, including greater price stability and improved market liquidity.
Speaker #2: Our guarantee also allows issuers to attract a broader often more diversified base of investors reduced borrowing costs or raise more proceeds without increasing interest rate costs.
Speaker #2: The first quarter of 2026 included nine large transactions with insured PAR over $100 million including $444 million of a taxable military housing bond for Ford Carson, where over 70% of the bonds had an underlying rating of double A, and the balance was rated single A.
Rob Bailenson: The Q1 2026 included 9 large transactions with insured par over $100 million, including $444 million of a taxable military housing bond for Fort Carson, where over 70% of the bonds had an underlying rating of AA, and the balance was rated A. $243 million of Hartford HealthCare revenue bonds issued by Connecticut Health and Educational Facilities Authority. $201 million for the Western Maricopa Education Center District in Arizona. $102 million in taxable bonds for Brown University Student Health Services. Among AA municipal credits during the Q1 2026, we insured 20 primary and 5 secondary market transactions on a closed date basis, amounting to a total of nearly $900 million in insured par.
Rob Bailenson: The Q1 2026 included 9 large transactions with insured par over $100 million, including $444 million of a taxable military housing bond for Fort Carson, where over 70% of the bonds had an underlying rating of AA, and the balance was rated A. $243 million of Hartford HealthCare revenue bonds issued by Connecticut Health and Educational Facilities Authority. $201 million for the Western Maricopa Education Center District in Arizona. $102 million in taxable bonds for Brown University Student Health Services. Among AA municipal credits during the Q1 2026, we insured 20 primary and 5 secondary market transactions on a closed date basis, amounting to a total of nearly $900 million in insured par.
Speaker #2: $243 million of Hartford Healthcare revenue bonds issued by Connecticut's Health and Educational Facilities Authority. $201 million for the Western Maricopa Education Center District in Arizona.
Speaker #2: And $102 million in taxable bonds for Brown University Health. Among double-A municipal credits, during the first quarter of 2026, we insured 20 primary and five secondary market transactions.
Speaker #2: On a closed date basis. Mounting to a total of nearly $900 million in insured PAR. This activity highlights the value our guarantee provides as a backstop against headline risk and unexpected fiscal stress, whether from broad economic or financial developments national events or other causes.
Rob Bailenson: This activity highlights the value our Guaranty provides as a backstop against headline risk and unexpected fiscal stress, whether from broad economic or financial developments, national events, or other causes. For non-US public finance, new business in Q1 2026 included a secondary local authority transaction in the UK, annual extensions of liquidity facilities, and a primary social housing transaction in France, marking our inaugural primary market guarantee in the social housing sector within the European Union. Our global structured finance results were produced primarily by fund finance and financial guarantees for life insurance capital management purposes. Fund finance continues to be a strong area of focus for us. This business is typically repeatable flow business, and since the transactions have relatively short lives, we earn the premiums much more rapidly and can recycle the capital more quickly, often within 1 to 2 years.
Rob Bailenson: This activity highlights the value our Guaranty provides as a backstop against headline risk and unexpected fiscal stress, whether from broad economic or financial developments, national events, or other causes. For non-US public finance, new business in Q1 2026 included a secondary local authority transaction in the UK, annual extensions of liquidity facilities, and a primary social housing transaction in France, marking our inaugural primary market guarantee in the social housing sector within the European Union. Our global structured finance results were produced primarily by fund finance and financial guarantees for life insurance capital management purposes. Fund finance continues to be a strong area of focus for us. This business is typically repeatable flow business, and since the transactions have relatively short lives, we earn the premiums much more rapidly and can recycle the capital more quickly, often within 1 to 2 years.
Speaker #2: For non-US public finance, new business in the first quarter of 2026 included a secondary local authority transaction in the UK. Annual extensions of liquidity facilities.
Speaker #2: And a primary social housing transaction in France marking our inaugural primary market guarantee in the social housing sector within the European Union. Our global structured finance results were produced primarily by fund finance and financial guarantees for life insurance capital management purposes.
Speaker #2: Fund finance continues to be a strong area of focus for us. This business is typically repeatable flow business and since the transactions have relatively short lives, we are in the premiums much more rapidly and can recycle the capital more quickly.
Speaker #2: Often within one to two years. For example, the fund finance transactions we insured in the first quarter of 2026 have maturities that range from a few months to a little over two years.
Rob Bailenson: For example, the fund finance transactions we insured in Q1 2026 have maturities that range from a few months to a little over 2 years. As we said, we expect the majority of these transactions will be renewed at maturity. As we have discussed in the past, both non-US public and structured finance have expanded the application of our products into various new sectors and geographic markets. We look to continue to develop additional product applications and new counterparty relationships in line with our strategic objective to accelerate our business growth. For instance, in Q1 2026, we closed a significant capital relief transaction with a major financial institution in the Asia Pacific region, guaranteeing a portfolio of fund finance exposures for a counterparty that we had previously done a modest amount of business with.
Rob Bailenson: For example, the fund finance transactions we insured in Q1 2026 have maturities that range from a few months to a little over 2 years. As we said, we expect the majority of these transactions will be renewed at maturity. As we have discussed in the past, both non-US public and structured finance have expanded the application of our products into various new sectors and geographic markets. We look to continue to develop additional product applications and new counterparty relationships in line with our strategic objective to accelerate our business growth. For instance, in Q1 2026, we closed a significant capital relief transaction with a major financial institution in the Asia Pacific region, guaranteeing a portfolio of fund finance exposures for a counterparty that we had previously done a modest amount of business with.
Speaker #2: And as we said, we expect the majority of these transactions will be renewed at maturity. As we have discussed in the past, both non-US public and structured finance have expanded the application of our products into various new sectors and geographic markets.
Speaker #2: And we look to continue to develop additional product applications and new counterparty relationships in line with our strategic objective to accelerate our business growth.
Speaker #2: For instance, in first quarter 2026, we closed a significant capital relief transaction with a major financial institution in the Asia Pacific region guaranteeing a portfolio of fund finance exposures for a counterparty that we had previously done a modest amount of business with.
Speaker #2: In closing, we expect demand to continue for our core products and believe we have abundant opportunities for further growth and greater diversification. We are off to a promising start in the second quarter of 2026, with a good pipeline ahead.
Rob Bailenson: In closing, we expect demand to continue for our core products and believe we have abundant opportunities for further growth and greater diversification. We are off to a promising start in Q2 2026 with a good pipeline ahead. Already in Q2, for instance, we have insured or issued commitments for $636 million for the City of Houston's Convention & Entertainment Facilities Department. Approximately $130 million of senior student housing revenue bonds for Morgan State University in Maryland. Approximately $300 million for the Burbank-Glendale-Pasadena Airport Authority in California. Several large global structured finance deals.
Rob Bailenson: In closing, we expect demand to continue for our core products and believe we have abundant opportunities for further growth and greater diversification. We are off to a promising start in Q2 2026 with a good pipeline ahead. Already in Q2, for instance, we have insured or issued commitments for $636 million for the City of Houston's Convention & Entertainment Facilities Department. Approximately $130 million of senior student housing revenue bonds for Morgan State University in Maryland. Approximately $300 million for the Burbank-Glendale-Pasadena Airport Authority in California. Several large global structured finance deals.
Speaker #2: Already in the second quarter, for instance, we have insured or issued commitments for $636 million for the city of Houston's convention and entertainment facilities department, approximately $130 million of senior student housing revenue bonds for Morgan State University in Maryland, approximately $300 million for the Burbank Glendale Pasadena Airport Authority in California.
Speaker #2: And several large global structured finance deals. We continue to maintain that at times when challenges or uncertainty arise in the economy and financial markets, when the cost of borrowing goes up, when market execution becomes less certain, rentees are trying to better manage their capital utilization our products can help optimize a wide variety of transactions so our clients can accomplish more with lower financing costs and obtain capital more efficiently.
Rob Bailenson: We continue to maintain that at times when challenges or uncertainty arise in the economy and financial markets, when the cost of borrowing goes up, market execution becomes less certain, entities are trying to better manage their capital utilization. Our products can help optimize a wide variety of transactions so our clients can accomplish more with lower financing costs and obtain capital more efficiently. I will now turn the call over to Ben to discuss our financial results.
Rob Bailenson: We continue to maintain that at times when challenges or uncertainty arise in the economy and financial markets, when the cost of borrowing goes up, market execution becomes less certain, entities are trying to better manage their capital utilization. Our products can help optimize a wide variety of transactions so our clients can accomplish more with lower financing costs and obtain capital more efficiently. I will now turn the call over to Ben to discuss our financial results.
Speaker #2: I will now turn the call over to Ben to discuss our financial results.
Speaker #3: Thank you, Dominic and Rob, and good morning. I am pleased to report first quarter 2026 adjusted operating income of $115 million or $2.50 per share.
Benjamin Rosenblum: Thank you, Dominic and Rob, and good morning. I am pleased to report Q1 2026 adjusted operating income of $115 million or $2.50 per share. This quarter's results include two noteworthy items. First, a $21 million after-tax benefit attributable to the recognition of carried interest from a Sound Point fund that sold its single underlying asset. Second, a $33 million one-time tax benefit due to changes in the UK's Pillar Two global minimum tax legislation enacted in Q1 that reduced the company's global minimum tax accrual. This compares to adjusted operating income of $162 million or $3.18 per share in Q1 2025, which included an $82 million after-tax benefit related to the resolution of the LBIE litigation.
Ben Rosenblum: Thank you, Dominic and Rob, and good morning. I am pleased to report Q1 2026 adjusted operating income of $115 million or $2.50 per share. This quarter's results include two noteworthy items. First, a $21 million after-tax benefit attributable to the recognition of carried interest from a Sound Point fund that sold its single underlying asset. Second, a $33 million one-time tax benefit due to changes in the UK's Pillar Two global minimum tax legislation enacted in Q1 that reduced the company's global minimum tax accrual. This compares to adjusted operating income of $162 million or $3.18 per share in Q1 2025, which included an $82 million after-tax benefit related to the resolution of the LBIE litigation.
Speaker #3: This quarter's results include two noteworthy items. First, a $21 million after-tax benefit attributable to the recognition of carried interest from a Sound Point fund that sold its single underlying asset.
Speaker #3: And second, a 33 million one-time tax benefit due to changes in the UK's pillar two global minimum tax legislation enacted in the first quarter that reduced the company's global minimum tax accrual.
Speaker #3: This compares to adjusted operating income of $162 million or $3.18 per share in the first quarter of 2025, which included an $82 million after-tax benefit related to the resolution of the LBIE litigation.
Speaker #3: Recent new business production has contributed to a steady stream of scheduled net earned premiums and credit derivative revenues which were $90 million in the first quarter of 2026 compared with $89 million in the first quarter of 2025.
Benjamin Rosenblum: Recent new business production has contributed to a steady stream of scheduled net earned premiums and credit derivative revenues, which were $90 million in Q1 2026, compared with $89 million in Q1 2025. Our deferred premium revenue held steady compared to last quarter at $3.8 billion. In addition, alternative investments remain an important part of our overall investment strategy. We have an inception-to-date IRR of approximately 12% on the alternative investment portfolio, which compares to an average yield of 4.2% over the past three years in our fixed maturity portfolio. As of 31 March 2026, our alternative investment had a fair value of $965 million.
Ben Rosenblum: Recent new business production has contributed to a steady stream of scheduled net earned premiums and credit derivative revenues, which were $90 million in Q1 2026, compared with $89 million in Q1 2025. Our deferred premium revenue held steady compared to last quarter at $3.8 billion. In addition, alternative investments remain an important part of our overall investment strategy. We have an inception-to-date IRR of approximately 12% on the alternative investment portfolio, which compares to an average yield of 4.2% over the past three years in our fixed maturity portfolio. As of 31 March 2026, our alternative investment had a fair value of $965 million.
Speaker #3: Our deferred premium revenue held steady compared to last quarter at $3.8 billion. In addition, alternative investments remain an important part of our overall investment strategy.
Speaker #3: We have an inception to date IRR of approximately 12% on the alternative investment portfolio which compares to an average yield of 4.2% over the past three years in our fixed maturity portfolio.
Speaker #3: As of March 31st, 2026, our alternative investments had a fair value of $965 million. This portfolio generated $35 million in pre-tax adjusted operating income in the first quarter of 2026 compared with $53 million in the first quarter of 2025.
Benjamin Rosenblum: This portfolio generated $35 million in pre-tax adjusted operating income in Q1 2026, compared with $53 million in Q1 2025. Other than the CLO investments, which experienced a decline in value quarter over quarter, our remaining alternative investments performed well and delivered relatively consistent results. The remainder of the available-for-sale and short-term investment portfolio also performed well, generating $82 million of net investment income in Q1 2026, up from $75 million in Q1 2025 as we shifted that portfolio towards higher-yielding corporate securities. Turning to our below-investment-grade exposures, economic loss development was $44 million in Q1 2026, primarily attributable to Brightline and PREPA.
Ben Rosenblum: This portfolio generated $35 million in pre-tax adjusted operating income in Q1 2026, compared with $53 million in Q1 2025. Other than the CLO investments, which experienced a decline in value quarter over quarter, our remaining alternative investments performed well and delivered relatively consistent results. The remainder of the available-for-sale and short-term investment portfolio also performed well, generating $82 million of net investment income in Q1 2026, up from $75 million in Q1 2025 as we shifted that portfolio towards higher-yielding corporate securities. Turning to our below-investment-grade exposures, economic loss development was $44 million in Q1 2026, primarily attributable to Brightline and PREPA.
Speaker #3: Other than the CLO investments, which experienced a decline in value quarter over quarter, our remaining alternative investments performed well and delivered relatively consistent results.
Speaker #3: The remainder of the available for sale and short-term investment portfolio also performed well generating $82 million of net investment income in the first quarter of 2026 up from $75 million in the first quarter of 2025 as we shifted that portfolio towards higher yielding corporate securities.
Speaker #3: Turning to our below investment grade exposures, economic loss development was $44 million in the first quarter of 2026, primarily attributable to Brightline and PREPA.
Speaker #3: However, income was primarily related to Prepa as the Brightline losses are well within our unearned premium reserve and therefore have not yet been recognized.
Benjamin Rosenblum: However, loss expense included in adjusted operating income was primarily related to PREPA, as the Brightline losses are well within our unearned premium reserve and therefore have not yet been recognized. In terms of capital management, in Q1 2026, we repurchased 882,000 shares for $75 million at an average price of $85.58 per share, and also returned $18 million in dividends to our shareholders. After over 13 years of consistent share repurchases, we have now bought back 81% of the shares that are outstanding at the start of the program, and in that time, we have returned $6 billion to the shareholders under the program.
Ben Rosenblum: However, loss expense included in adjusted operating income was primarily related to PREPA, as the Brightline losses are well within our unearned premium reserve and therefore have not yet been recognized. In terms of capital management, in Q1 2026, we repurchased 882,000 shares for $75 million at an average price of $85.58 per share, and also returned $18 million in dividends to our shareholders. After over 13 years of consistent share repurchases, we have now bought back 81% of the shares that are outstanding at the start of the program, and in that time, we have returned $6 billion to the shareholders under the program.
Speaker #3: In terms of capital management, in the first quarter of 2026, we repurchased $882,000 shares for $75 million at an average price of $85.58 per share and also returned $18 million in dividends to our shareholders.
Speaker #3: After over 13 years of consistent share repurchases, we have now bought back 81% of the shares that are outstanding at the start of the program and in that time we have returned $6 billion to the shareholders under the program.
Speaker #3: During that same period, we increased our quarterly dividends per share from $0.10 per share to $0.38 per share which amounted to $929 million of additional distributions to shareholders.
Benjamin Rosenblum: During that same period, we increased our quarterly dividends per share from $0.10 per share to $0.38 per share, which amounted to $929 million of additional distributions to shareholders. As always, we actively assess the various opportunities to deploy our capital effectively and aim to invest in those that we believe provide the most attractive returns. At this time, we have decided to reduce our share repurchases over the next 3 months to a target of $30 million in order to use a portion of available capital to support our growth opportunities in our financial guaranty insurance and our new annuity reinsurance businesses, in addition to other strategic considerations. We are excited to grow this platform, and we are advancing several promising opportunities for new business.
Ben Rosenblum: During that same period, we increased our quarterly dividends per share from $0.10 per share to $0.38 per share, which amounted to $929 million of additional distributions to shareholders. As always, we actively assess the various opportunities to deploy our capital effectively and aim to invest in those that we believe provide the most attractive returns. At this time, we have decided to reduce our share repurchases over the next 3 months to a target of $30 million in order to use a portion of available capital to support our growth opportunities in our financial guaranty insurance and our new annuity reinsurance businesses, in addition to other strategic considerations. We are excited to grow this platform, and we are advancing several promising opportunities for new business.
Speaker #3: As always, we actively assess the various opportunities to deploy our capital effectively and aim to invest in those that we believe provide the most attractive returns.
Speaker #3: At this time, we have decided to reduce our share repurchases over the next three months to a target of $30 million in order to use a portion of available capital to support our growth opportunities in our financial guarantee insurance and our new annuity reinsurance businesses in addition to other strategic considerations.
Speaker #3: We are excited to grow this platform, and we are advancing several promising opportunities for new business. Our holding company liquidity as of today is approximately $153 million, of which $56 million is at AGL.
Benjamin Rosenblum: Our holding company liquidity as of today is approximately $153 million, of which $56 million is at AGL. As of the end of Q1 2026, we had reached record per share valuations of $128.61 for adjusted operating shareholders' equity and $188.74 for adjusted book value, reflecting the successful execution of our key strategic initiatives. I will now turn the call over to our operator to give you instructions for the Q&A period.
Ben Rosenblum: Our holding company liquidity as of today is approximately $153 million, of which $56 million is at AGL. As of the end of Q1 2026, we had reached record per share valuations of $128.61 for adjusted operating shareholders' equity and $188.74 for adjusted book value, reflecting the successful execution of our key strategic initiatives. I will now turn the call over to our operator to give you instructions for the Q&A period.
Speaker #3: As of the end of the first quarter of 2026, we had reached record per share valuations of $128.61 for adjusted operating shareholders' equity and $188.74 for adjusted book value.
Speaker #3: Reflecting the successful execution of our key strategic initiatives. I will now turn the call over to our operator to give you instructions for the Q&A period.
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Operator 3: The first question comes from the line of Marissa Lobo at UBS.
Operator: The first question comes from the line of Marissa Lobo at UBS.
Speaker #5: Thank you and good morning.
Marissa Lobo: Thank you and good morning.
Marissa Lobo: Thank you and good morning.
Dominic Frederico: Your line is open. Please go ahead.
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Speaker #4: Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Speaker #5: Thank you. Good morning. With about $600 billion. Hi, I'm sorry. Could you hear me?
Marissa Lobo: Thank you. Good morning. With about $600 billion
Marissa Lobo: Thank you. Good morning. With about $600 billion
Dominic Frederico: Good morning.
Dominic Frederico: Good morning.
Dominic Frederico: Hi, I'm sorry. Could you hear me?
Marissa Lobo: Hi, I'm sorry. Could you hear me?
Speaker #3: Yes.
Dominic Frederico: Yes.
Ben Rosenblum: Yes.
Speaker #5: Okay, great. With about $600 billion of projected unique supply in 2026 and the penetration rate holding, what is your target for 2026 new issue in short par, and is the pricing environment supportive to translate into higher gross premiums?
Marissa Lobo: Okay, great. With about $600 billion of projected muni supply in 2026, and if penetration rates hold, what is your target for 2026 new issue in short par and is the pricing environment supportive to translate into higher gross premiums?
Marissa Lobo: Okay, great. With about $600 billion of projected muni supply in 2026, and if penetration rates hold, what is your target for 2026 new issue in short par and is the pricing environment supportive to translate into higher gross premiums?
Speaker #3: Well, if the market issue is that we would reject, our penetration would probably be inconsistent because of the credit conditions that exist in terms of spreads and rates.
Dominic Frederico: Well, if the market issuance is up, we would project our penetration would probably remain consistent because of the credit conditions that exist in terms of spreads and rates. We think the volume alone will give us a growth opportunity as well as we have some large deals that we know are there in the pipeline that will also help the year. We expect a strong year, apples to apples. In terms of return, obviously now we have a very sophisticated ROE model. We calculate on every risk that we write.
Dominic Frederico: Well, if the market issuance is up, we would project our penetration would probably remain consistent because of the credit conditions that exist in terms of spreads and rates. We think the volume alone will give us a growth opportunity as well as we have some large deals that we know are there in the pipeline that will also help the year. We expect a strong year, apples to apples. In terms of return, obviously now we have a very sophisticated ROE model. We calculate on every risk that we write.
Speaker #3: But we think the volume alone will give us a growth opportunity as well as we have some large deals that we know that are in the pipeline that will also help the year.
Speaker #3: So we expect a strong year apples to apples. And in terms of return, obviously now we have a very sophisticated ROE model. We calculate on every risk that we write.
Speaker #3: We have a review function now over the whole process to make sure the ROEs are in line with our cost of capital, so that we're not losing at all the value in the company or the opportunities that we see.
Dominic Frederico: We have a review function now over the whole process to make sure the ROEs are in line with our cost of capital so that we're not leading at all the value of the company or the opportunities that we see, but we're being selective in terms of our underwriting choices as well as the pricing that we're looking for in terms of spread and return. Like I said, volume will help our volume this year.
Dominic Frederico: We have a review function now over the whole process to make sure the ROEs are in line with our cost of capital so that we're not leading at all the value of the company or the opportunities that we see, but we're being selective in terms of our underwriting choices as well as the pricing that we're looking for in terms of spread and return. Like I said, volume will help our volume this year.
Speaker #3: But we're being selective in terms of our underwriting choices as well as the pricing that we're looking for in terms of spread and return.
Speaker #3: But like I said, volume will help our volume this year and we're seeing more triple B issuance as well as more infrastructure transactions and also in healthcare.
Rob Bailenson: We're seeing more triple B issuance as well as more infrastructure transactions and also in healthcare, which is giving us a significant amount more premium on those transactions.
Rob Bailenson: We're seeing more triple B issuance as well as more infrastructure transactions and also in healthcare, which is giving us a significant amount more premium on those transactions.
Speaker #3: Which is giving us a significant amount more premium on those transactions.
Speaker #4: Remember, we're the slave to large deals and large deals have their own time frame in terms of closing. We've met many quarters where we expected a number of X and because two deals didn't close at the end of the quarter and fell into the next quarter, you have a very different volume structure.
Dominic Frederico: Remember, we're the slave to large deals, and large deals have their own timeframe in terms of closing. We've met many quarters where we expected a number of X, and because two deals didn't close at the end of the quarter and fell into the next quarter, you get a very different volume structure. As I said, if we look at it over the year, you know, apples to apples, we expect the year to be a strong year relative to public finance as well as meet our return hurdles from the standpoint of profitability.
Dominic Frederico: Remember, we're the slave to large deals, and large deals have their own timeframe in terms of closing. We've met many quarters where we expected a number of X, and because two deals didn't close at the end of the quarter and fell into the next quarter, you get a very different volume structure. As I said, if we look at it over the year, you know, apples to apples, we expect the year to be a strong year relative to public finance as well as meet our return hurdles from the standpoint of profitability.
Speaker #4: But as I said, if we look at it over the year, apples to apples, we expect the year to be a strong year relative to public finance, as well as meet our return hurdles from the standpoint of profitability.
Speaker #5: Okay. Great. And how are you incorporating AI into your processes and where do you see the biggest opportunity for it to improve your credit selections?
Marissa Lobo: Okay, great. How are you incorporating AI into your processes, and where do you see the biggest opportunity for it to improve your, you know, credit selection?
Marissa Lobo: Okay, great. How are you incorporating AI into your processes, and where do you see the biggest opportunity for it to improve your, you know, credit selection?
Speaker #3: Well, that probably has the most discussion we're having in the organization. So, obviously, AI represents a great opportunity for us in terms of being able to do the work we do, which, as you appreciate, is fairly repetitive on a credit-by-credit basis, on a surveillance basis, and on a review of the portfolio basis.
Dominic Frederico: Well, that probably has the most discussion we're having in the organization. Obviously, AI represents a great opportunity for us in terms of being able to do the work we do, which is you appreciate fairly repetitive on a credit-by-credit basis, on a surveillance basis, on a review of the portfolio basis. A lot of those functions can be machine learned, and we're obviously applying it in every facet of our business. Most importantly, you've seen the activity in the secondary market, where we continue to push those numbers up significantly utilizing artificial intelligence as part of the process. Remember, a human being still has to look at it to approve it.
Dominic Frederico: Well, that probably has the most discussion we're having in the organization. Obviously, AI represents a great opportunity for us in terms of being able to do the work we do, which is you appreciate fairly repetitive on a credit-by-credit basis, on a surveillance basis, on a review of the portfolio basis. A lot of those functions can be machine learned, and we're obviously applying it in every facet of our business. Most importantly, you've seen the activity in the secondary market, where we continue to push those numbers up significantly utilizing artificial intelligence as part of the process. Remember, a human being still has to look at it to approve it.
Speaker #3: A lot of those functions can be machine learned, and we're obviously applying it in every facet of our business. And most importantly, you've seen the activity in the secondary market, where we continue to push those numbers up significantly, utilizing artificial intelligence as part of the process.
Speaker #3: But remember, a human being still has to look at it to approve it. But at the end of the day, the compilation the accessibility of the data the molding the data into a format that would fit our process for credit and surveillance is critical to us.
Dominic Frederico: At the end of the day, the compilation, the accessibility of the data, the molding the data into a format that would fit our process for credit and surveillance is critical to us. We think as a company that does a lot of repeat functionality, we should be most benefited by the use of AI. We've got literally an AI committee that looks at everything. We're applying applications kind of across the board in areas you wouldn't even think of, like financial reporting, Sarbanes-Oxley. There's a lot of other implications or applications that we're applying it to, and we think it's a critical tool for us to use in the future, both with how we want to manage the company and the business.
Dominic Frederico: At the end of the day, the compilation, the accessibility of the data, the molding the data into a format that would fit our process for credit and surveillance is critical to us. We think as a company that does a lot of repeat functionality, we should be most benefited by the use of AI. We've got literally an AI committee that looks at everything. We're applying applications kind of across the board in areas you wouldn't even think of, like financial reporting, Sarbanes-Oxley. There's a lot of other implications or applications that we're applying it to, and we think it's a critical tool for us to use in the future, both with how we want to manage the company and the business.
Speaker #3: So we think as a company, that doesn't a lot of repeat functionality. We should be most benefited by the use of AI and we've got literally an AI committee that looks at everything.
Speaker #3: We're applying applications kind of across the board in areas you wouldn't even think of. Like financial reporting, surveillance Oxley, so there's a lot of implications or applications that we're applying it to and we think it's a critical tool for us to use in the future relative to how we want to manage the company and the business.
Speaker #4: Marissa, what about—actually, that's why you see the velocity of our secondary market transactions go much more quickly, because we're actually using AI to interact with our clients much more quickly.
Rob Bailenson: Marissa, we're actually. That's why you see the velocity of our secondary market transactions go much more quickly because we're actually using AI to interact with our clients much more quickly as well. In addition, our credit reports are being done using AI, but an individual actually reviews it. It takes less time for an analyst to actually write them.
Rob Bailenson: Marissa, we're actually. That's why you see the velocity of our secondary market transactions go much more quickly because we're actually using AI to interact with our clients much more quickly as well. In addition, our credit reports are being done using AI, but an individual actually reviews it. It takes less time for an analyst to actually write them.
Speaker #4: And in addition, we're our credit reports are being done using AI, but an individual actually reviews it. But it takes less time for an analyst to actually write them.
Speaker #5: That's great. Thank you. And just moving, if I could, to the loss development. On Brightline with the going concern audit opinion that was just issued and the interest payment grace period expiring, can you talk to us, is there any has AGO been approached for any forbearance or restructuring or what scenario might it move to big category three here?
Marissa Lobo: That's great. Thank you. Just moving, if I could, to the loss development on Brightline. With the going concern audit opinion that was just issued and the interest payment grace period expiring, you know, can you talk to us? Has AGO been approached for any forbearance or restructuring or, you know, what scenario might it move to the category 3 here?
Marissa Lobo: That's great. Thank you. Just moving, if I could, to the loss development on Brightline. With the going concern audit opinion that was just issued and the interest payment grace period expiring, you know, can you talk to us? Has AGO been approached for any forbearance or restructuring or, you know, what scenario might it move to the category 3 here?
Speaker #3: Well, there's a lot of activity on Brightline as you can appreciate and a lot of words in the marketplace in terms of the operations of the organization.
Dominic Frederico: Well, there's a lot of activity on Brightline, as you can appreciate, and a lot of words in the marketplace in terms of the operations of the organization. However, if you look at our structure in terms of capital, the capital stack is roughly $7 billion. We're half of the top $2.4 billion. You say to yourself, Is the company worth at least $2.4 billion? The answer resoundingly comes back, absolutely. We don't see this as a loss situation, but obviously we have to compare ourselves to what the rating agencies think in terms of what their capital they're going to accept, how the regulators view it. As you know, our accounting model requires us to consider all possible scenarios and probability weight them.
Dominic Frederico: Well, there's a lot of activity on Brightline, as you can appreciate, and a lot of words in the marketplace in terms of the operations of the organization. However, if you look at our structure in terms of capital, the capital stack is roughly $7 billion. We're half of the top $2.4 billion. You say to yourself, Is the company worth at least $2.4 billion? The answer resoundingly comes back, absolutely. We don't see this as a loss situation, but obviously we have to compare ourselves to what the rating agencies think in terms of what their capital they're going to accept, how the regulators view it. As you know, our accounting model requires us to consider all possible scenarios and probability weight them.
Speaker #3: However, if you look at our structure in terms of capital, the capital stack is roughly $7 billion we're half of the top 2.4 billion.
Speaker #3: So you say to yourself, is the company worth at least $2.4 billion? And the answer resoundingly comes back, absolutely. We don't see this as a loss situation, but obviously we have to compare ourselves to what the rating agencies think in terms of what their capital they're going to assess, how the regulators view it.
Speaker #3: As you know, our accounting model requires us to consider all possible scenarios and probability-weight them. So, we’ve got to put a scenario out there that’s got some loss content in it.
Dominic Frederico: You got to put a scenario out there because it's got some loss content in it. At the end of the day, we believe in the structure. We believe in our credit underwriting. We stand back on our historical results. Time is on our side. Remember, in our portfolio, there's not any loss that would be significant to us in terms of principal and interest only when due. There's no acceleration. This, I think, has a $58 million payment annually to about 2042. At the end of the day, it's not free cash flow. As I said, I don't mind owning a railroad for $2.4 billion.
Dominic Frederico: You got to put a scenario out there because it's got some loss content in it. At the end of the day, we believe in the structure. We believe in our credit underwriting. We stand back on our historical results. Time is on our side. Remember, in our portfolio, there's not any loss that would be significant to us in terms of principal and interest only when due. There's no acceleration. This, I think, has a $58 million payment annually to about 2042. At the end of the day, it's not free cash flow. As I said, I don't mind owning a railroad for $2.4 billion.
Speaker #3: But at the end of the day, we believe in the structure. We believe in our credit underwriting. We stand back on our historical results.
Speaker #3: And time is on our side. Remember, in our portfolio, there's not any loss that would be significant to us in terms of principal and interest only when due.
Speaker #3: There's no acceleration. This, I think, has a 58 million payment annually to about 2042. So at the end of the day, it's not big cash flow.
Speaker #3: And as I said, I don't mind owning a railroad for 2.4 billion.
Speaker #5: Okay. Thank you very much.
Marissa Lobo: Okay. Thank you very much.
Marissa Lobo: Okay. Thank you very much.
Speaker #1: Your next question comes from the line of Tommy McJoint at KBW. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Operator 3: Your next question comes from the line of Tommy McJoynt at KBW. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Tommy McJoynt at KBW. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Speaker #6: Hi. Good morning. First question here—for investors that have become accustomed to AGO buying back roughly $500 million of stock in 10 of the last 12 years, was the slower pace of buybacks year to date, and the message of a slowdown in buybacks for the next three months, meant to signal just a temporary slowdown here, or is this a true change in the way you guys think about capital distribution?
Tommy McJoynt: Hi, good morning. First question here. For investors that have become accustomed to AGO buying back roughly $500 million of stock in 10 of the last 12 years, was the slower pace of buybacks you made in the message of a slowdown in buybacks for the next 3 months? Was that meant to signal just a temporary slowdown here, or is this a true change in the way you guys think about capital distribution?
Tommy McJoynt: Hi, good morning. First question here. For investors that have become accustomed to AGO buying back roughly $500 million of stock in 10 of the last 12 years, was the slower pace of buybacks you made in the message of a slowdown in buybacks for the next 3 months? Was that meant to signal just a temporary slowdown here, or is this a true change in the way you guys think about capital distribution?
Speaker #3: Well, when you say temporary, Tommy, that's a good question. I would say we look at the capital management as still a critical issue, still a critical strategic objective in the company.
Dominic Frederico: Well, when you say temporary, Tommy, that's a good question. I would say we look at the capital management as still a critical issue, still critical to the strategic objective in the company. It's what we pay the most attention to. At the end of the day, we front the company significantly. We've got to look at how we manage that remaining capital, where the opportunities lie. As we talked about in the life business, for instance, theoretically, based on its growth pattern, it could absorb or need somewhere between $50 and $150 million of capital to continue to exercise its growth program over the next 18 months.
Dominic Frederico: Well, when you say temporary, Tommy, that's a good question. I would say we look at the capital management as still a critical issue, still critical to the strategic objective in the company. It's what we pay the most attention to. At the end of the day, we front the company significantly. We've got to look at how we manage that remaining capital, where the opportunities lie. As we talked about in the life business, for instance, theoretically, based on its growth pattern, it could absorb or need somewhere between $50 and $150 million of capital to continue to exercise its growth program over the next 18 months.
Speaker #3: It's what we pay the most attention to. But at the end of the day, we front the company significantly. We've got to look at how we manage that remaining capital, where the opportunities lie.
Speaker #3: As we talked about in the life business, for instance, theoretically based on its growth pattern, it could absorb or need somewhere between 50 and 150 million of capital.
Speaker #3: To continue to exercise its growth program over the next 18 months. We want to make sure we have plenty of capital for that as well as still have enough cushion to protect ourselves from some myopic views of loss activity such as Brightline in terms of what the capital charges are coming out of the rating agencies for that.
Dominic Frederico: We want to make sure we have plenty of capital for that, as well as still have enough cushion to protect ourselves from some myopic views of loss activity, such as Brightline, in terms of what the capital charges are coming out of the rating agencies for that. You know, we have to protect the company relative to its ratings. We got to provide the opportunity to grow the business. We've done a tremendous job, I think we are gonna have the credit we deserve for the capital management we've done, as Ben talked about, $6 billion, 81% of the outstanding. Well, that's liquidating the company. We want to grow the company. We think we've got great opportunities to grow the company.
Dominic Frederico: We want to make sure we have plenty of capital for that, as well as still have enough cushion to protect ourselves from some myopic views of loss activity, such as Brightline, in terms of what the capital charges are coming out of the rating agencies for that. You know, we have to protect the company relative to its ratings. We got to provide the opportunity to grow the business. We've done a tremendous job, I think we are gonna have the credit we deserve for the capital management we've done, as Ben talked about, $6 billion, 81% of the outstanding. Well, that's liquidating the company. We want to grow the company. We think we've got great opportunities to grow the company.
Speaker #3: So we have to protect the company relative to its ratings. We got to provide the opportunity to grow the business. We've done a tremendous job, and I think we are going to have the credit we deserve for the capital management we've done has been talked about $6 billion 81% of the outstanding.
Speaker #3: Well, that's liquidating the company. We want to grow the company. And we think we've got great opportunities to grow the company. But at the same token, if we can't use the capital, if we see the excess capital continues to build, as it has in the past, we will be aggressive in our capital management.
Dominic Frederico: At the same token, if we can't use the capital, if we see the excess capital continue to build as it has in the past, we will be aggressive in our capital management. Of course, we'll protect our stock as well.
Dominic Frederico: At the same token, if we can't use the capital, if we see the excess capital continue to build as it has in the past, we will be aggressive in our capital management. Of course, we'll protect our stock as well.
Speaker #3: And of course, we'll protect our stock as well.
Speaker #6: Got it. Thanks for that. And then I think we've talked about this in the past, but I just want to confirm that when you think about your sort of first order or second order exposure to the Middle East crisis, I assume you think it's pretty minimal.
Tommy McJoynt: Got it. Thanks for that. I think we've talked about this in the past, but I just want to confirm that when you think about your sort of first order or second order exposure to the Middle East crisis, I assume you think it's pretty minimal. Perhaps, you know, thinking of second-order impacts around just the level of heightened risk globally, have you guys seen an uptick in terms of, like, the pipeline or demand for sort of risk mitigation strategies from AGO specifically over, you know, the past few months that you can pinpoint to the crisis in the Middle East?
Tommy McJoynt: Got it. Thanks for that. I think we've talked about this in the past, but I just want to confirm that when you think about your sort of first order or second order exposure to the Middle East crisis, I assume you think it's pretty minimal. Perhaps, you know, thinking of second-order impacts around just the level of heightened risk globally, have you guys seen an uptick in terms of, like, the pipeline or demand for sort of risk mitigation strategies from AGO specifically over, you know, the past few months that you can pinpoint to the crisis in the Middle East?
Speaker #6: But perhaps thinking of second-order impacts around just the level of heightened risk globally, have you guys seen an uptick in terms of the pipeline or demand for risk mitigation strategies from AGO specifically over the past few months that you can pinpoint to the crisis in the Middle East?
Speaker #3: No, we haven't, Tommy. Thank God. If you notice, and I've been in this business and this position for a long time, I've seen probably four or five recessions maybe three or four more global crises.
Dominic Frederico: No, we haven't, Tommy. Thank God. If you notice, and I've been in this business, in this position for a long time, I've seen probably four or five recessions, maybe three or four more global crises. At the end of the day, look at the results that Assured has put up. Never had a loss. In order to buy back the amount of stock and pay the dividends we have, we had to be usually profitable. I see nothing affects that going forward. We haven't seen the demand, as you're saying, in terms of people running for the exits. Our basic policy today, we're a growth agent is fund finance, which is a very safe, highly rated book of business. We do capital arbitrage, but the volatility in the market does allow us to open up more portals of business opportunity because of spread widening.
Dominic Frederico: No, we haven't, Tommy. Thank God. If you notice, and I've been in this business, in this position for a long time, I've seen probably four or five recessions, maybe three or four more global crises. At the end of the day, look at the results that Assured has put up. Never had a loss. In order to buy back the amount of stock and pay the dividends we have, we had to be usually profitable. I see nothing affects that going forward. We haven't seen the demand, as you're saying, in terms of people running for the exits. Our basic policy today, we're a growth agent is fund finance, which is a very safe, highly rated book of business. We do capital arbitrage, but the volatility in the market does allow us to open up more portals of business opportunity because of spread widening.
Speaker #3: And at the end of the day, look at the results that assured us put up. Never had a loss. In order to buy back the amount of stock and pay the dividends we had, we had to be usually profitable.
Speaker #3: I see nothing affects that going forward. We haven't seen the demand as you're saying in terms of people running for the exits. Our basic policy today where our growth engine is fund finance, which is a very safe highly rated book of business.
Speaker #3: arbitrage. But the volatility in the market does allow us to open up more portals of business opportunity because of spread widening, spread is increasing, which gives us more opportunity to make money and be looking at more deals.
Dominic Frederico: Spread is increasing, which gives us more opportunity to make money and be looking at more deals. We don't see the panic at all. As I said, in our life history, it really has never had an effect because the portfolio is so well-written and so well-protected from a credit point of view.
Dominic Frederico: Spread is increasing, which gives us more opportunity to make money and be looking at more deals. We don't see the panic at all. As I said, in our life history, it really has never had an effect because the portfolio is so well-written and so well-protected from a credit point of view.
Speaker #3: But we don't see the panic at all. And as I said, in our life history, it really has never had an effect because the portfolio is so well written and so well protected from a credit point of view.
Rob Bailenson: Tommy, we're seeing the increase in structured finance globally and international infrastructure due to regulatory requirements on banks becoming, you know we're part of their solution when it comes to capital management and capital efficiency and risk management. That's where we're opening up. They're looking at our financial guarantee as a solution to helping their regulatory capital.
Speaker #4: And Tommy, we're seeing the increase in structured finance globally and international infrastructure due to regulatory requirements on banks. Becoming—we're part of their solution.
Rob Bailenson: Tommy, we're seeing the increase in structured finance globally and international infrastructure due to regulatory requirements on banks becoming, you know we're part of their solution when it comes to capital management and capital efficiency and risk management. That's where we're opening up. They're looking at our financial guarantee as a solution to helping their regulatory capital.
Speaker #4: When it comes to capital management, their capital management and capital efficiency and risk management. So that's where we're opening up. And they're looking at our financial guarantee as a solution.
Speaker #4: To helping their regulatory capital.
Speaker #3: Yeah. I think what that says to about the company, right? We're opening up more counterparty relationships against banks across the world globe providing us significant lines of credit capacity that they're willing to absorb in terms of assurance credit risk.
Dominic Frederico: Yeah. I think what that says to you about the company, right? We're opening up more counterplay relationships against banks across the world globe by providing us significant lines of credit capacity that they're willing to absorb in terms of Assured's credit risk. Why would that be? Because they realize that the strength of the company, the strength of its financial ratings, the ability to provide this capital arbitrage in spite of the market, and the results that we've been able to generate in the past. I think that alone would indicate the confidence that the market has in us and continues to provide us those opportunities.
Dominic Frederico: Yeah. I think what that says to you about the company, right? We're opening up more counterplay relationships against banks across the world globe by providing us significant lines of credit capacity that they're willing to absorb in terms of Assured's credit risk. Why would that be? Because they realize that the strength of the company, the strength of its financial ratings, the ability to provide this capital arbitrage in spite of the market, and the results that we've been able to generate in the past. I think that alone would indicate the confidence that the market has in us and continues to provide us those opportunities.
Speaker #3: Why would that be? Because they realize that the strength of the company the strength of its financial ratings the ability to provide this capital arbitrage in spite of the market and the results that we've been able to generate in the past.
Speaker #3: So I think that alone would indicate the confidence that the market has in us and continues to provide us those opportunities.
Speaker #4: I also just want to add that it's in these banks' core lending portfolios. It's not anything that they're risk that they're concerned about. It's the core lending they want to service their clients even further.
Rob Bailenson: I also just want to add that it's in these banks' core lending portfolios. It's not anything that they're risks that they're concerned about. It's the core lending they want to service their clients even further.
Rob Bailenson: I also just want to add that it's in these banks' core lending portfolios. It's not anything that they're risks that they're concerned about. It's the core lending they want to service their clients even further.
Speaker #6: Thanks. And then, if I can just sneak one last modeling one in—looking at the investment portfolio, and excluding the alternative investments, what was your new money yield in the quarter relative to the effective yield on the portfolio?
Tommy McJoynt: Thanks. If I could just sneak one last modeling one in. Looking at the investment portfolio and excluding the alternative investment, what was your new money yield in the quarter relative to the effective yield on the portfolio?
Tommy McJoynt: Thanks. If I could just sneak one last modeling one in. Looking at the investment portfolio and excluding the alternative investment, what was your new money yield in the quarter relative to the effective yield on the portfolio?
Speaker #3: So I'm going to spell out the number right in front of me, but I'm going to say we're probably the new money yield is probably somewhere a little north of 4%.
Benjamin Rosenblum: I don't have the number right in front of me, but I gotta say we're probably the new money yield is probably somewhere a little north of 4%. It's probably 4.4 or so. You know, I might be off by, you know, 10 or 15 basis points there.
Ben Rosenblum: I don't have the number right in front of me, but I gotta say we're probably the new money yield is probably somewhere a little north of 4%. It's probably 4.4 or so. You know, I might be off by, you know, 10 or 15 basis points there.
Speaker #3: There's probably 4.4 or so. But I might be off by 10 or 15 basis points there.
Speaker #6: Thanks.
Tommy McJoynt: Thanks.
Tommy McJoynt: Thanks.
Speaker #1: Your next question comes from the line of Jeffrey Dunn at Dowling and Partners. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Operator 3: Your next question comes from the line of Jeffrey Dunn at Dowling & Partners. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Jeffrey Dunn at Dowling & Partners. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Speaker #5: Hi. Good morning, guys.
Jeffrey Dunn: Thanks. Good morning, guys.
Geoffrey Dunn: Thanks. Good morning, guys.
Speaker #3: Good morning, Jeff.
Dominic Frederico: Morning, Jeff.
Dominic Frederico: Morning, Jeff.
Jeffrey Dunn: Dominic, I know you don't put hard numbers on this, but can you talk about how you think about the level of excess capital in the company or, you know, alternatively, the ROE drag from the excess capital in the company? You know, last time I heard a number, it was north of $2 billion. Outside looking in, it seems like you have enough money for all the above to keep an aggressive buyback plan in place as well as consider new alternatives. Can you maybe flush that out a little bit more? You know, as you pointed out, you bought back over 80% of the company over the last 12 years. How much is the float of the stock coming in as a factor with your buyback appetite going forward?
Speaker #5: Dominic, I know you don't put hard numbers on this, but can you talk about how you think about the level of excess capital in the company or alternatively the ROE drag from the excess capital in the company?
Geoffrey Dunn: Dominic, I know you don't put hard numbers on this, but can you talk about how you think about the level of excess capital in the company or, you know, alternatively, the ROE drag from the excess capital in the company? You know, last time I heard a number, it was north of $2 billion. Outside looking in, it seems like you have enough money for all the above to keep an aggressive buyback plan in place as well as consider new alternatives. Can you maybe flush that out a little bit more? You know, as you pointed out, you bought back over 80% of the company over the last 12 years. How much is the float of the stock coming in as a factor with your buyback appetite going forward?
Speaker #5: Last time, I heard a number. It was north of 2 billion. And so outside looking in, it seems like you have enough money for all of the above to keep an aggressive buyback plan in place as well as consider new alternatives.
Speaker #5: So, can you maybe flush that out a little bit more? And then also, as you pointed out, you bought back over 80% of the company over the last 12 years.
Speaker #5: How much is the flow to the stock coming into as a factor with your buyback appetite going forward?
Speaker #3: Yeah. I don't think flow is the problem today. So that could be a problem down the road. But today, it's not been a problem.
Dominic Frederico: Yeah, I don't think flip's the problem to date. That could be a problem down the road, but today it's not been a problem. Let's talk about capital. Right now our capital is predominantly equity capital. As we look to the future and see growth opportunities, that mix of capital has to be looked at and examined. Can we bring in more soft capital facilities to let the hard equity capital be aggressively managed from a standpoint of shareholder buybacks or other opportunities? The soft capital also would provide us opportunities to allocate some of that for growth. Right now we're saying to ourselves, we shrank the company significantly. Some of the triggers that now exist on the overall balance sheet or portfolio have to be examined more closely, therefore soft capital could be a definite wave of the future.
Dominic Frederico: Yeah, I don't think flip's the problem to date. That could be a problem down the road, but today it's not been a problem. Let's talk about capital. Right now our capital is predominantly equity capital. As we look to the future and see growth opportunities, that mix of capital has to be looked at and examined. Can we bring in more soft capital facilities to let the hard equity capital be aggressively managed from a standpoint of shareholder buybacks or other opportunities? The soft capital also would provide us opportunities to allocate some of that for growth. Right now we're saying to ourselves, we shrank the company significantly. Some of the triggers that now exist on the overall balance sheet or portfolio have to be examined more closely, therefore soft capital could be a definite wave of the future.
Speaker #3: So let's talk about capital. So right now, capital is predominantly equity capital. As we look to the future and see growth opportunities, that mix of capital has to be looked at and examined.
Speaker #3: Can we bring in more soft capital facilities to let the hard equity capital be aggressively managed from the standpoint of shareholder buybacks or other opportunities?
Speaker #3: The soft capital also would provide us opportunities to allocate some of that for growth. And right now, we're saying to ourselves, we strengthen the company significantly.
Speaker #3: Some of the triggers that now exist on the overall balance sheet or portfolio have to be examined more closely. And therefore, soft capital could be a definite wave of the future.
Speaker #3: As well as when we look at the capital, we have rating agency. We have regulatory. When companies come to us for large deals, they look at our balance sheet.
Dominic Frederico: When we look at the capital, we have rating agency, we have regulatory. When companies come to us for large deals, they look at our balance sheet, the size of that balance sheet also gives them the confidence to write a $2 billion deal, a $2.5 billion deal. We need to maintain certain size of asset as well, or certain size of balance sheet, to make sure that the issuer has full confidence in our ability to execute on the transaction and obviously provide the value that we expect in terms of the loss cost, liquidity, you know, protection for the ultimate investor. I think we're going to look at all aspects of the capital and say, are we still a capital management company? Absolutely. Are we still going to use buybacks as a capital management tool?
Dominic Frederico: When we look at the capital, we have rating agency, we have regulatory. When companies come to us for large deals, they look at our balance sheet, the size of that balance sheet also gives them the confidence to write a $2 billion deal, a $2.5 billion deal. We need to maintain certain size of asset as well, or certain size of balance sheet, to make sure that the issuer has full confidence in our ability to execute on the transaction and obviously provide the value that we expect in terms of the loss cost, liquidity, you know, protection for the ultimate investor. I think we're going to look at all aspects of the capital and say, are we still a capital management company? Absolutely. Are we still going to use buybacks as a capital management tool?
Speaker #3: And the size of that balance sheet also gives them the confidence to write a $2 billion deal. A $2.5 billion deal. So we need to maintain certain size of asset as well or certain the issuer has full confidence in our ability to execute on the transaction and obviously provide the value that we expect in terms of the lost cost, liquidity, protection for the ultimate investor.
Speaker #3: So, I think we're going to look at all aspects of the capital and say, are we still a capital management company? Absolutely. Are we still going to use buybacks as a capital management tool?
Speaker #3: Absolutely. As we looked at the composition of capital, we're going to change the composition? Absolutely. Do we think we have tremendous growth opportunities? Absolutely.
Dominic Frederico: Absolutely. As we look to the composition of capital, are we going to change the composition? Absolutely. Do we think we have tremendous growth opportunities? Absolutely. We're trying to balance all those balls in the air, and I think we're doing a pretty good job, and you'll see it by the end of the year whether we've been able to meet promise or not.
Dominic Frederico: Absolutely. As we look to the composition of capital, are we going to change the composition? Absolutely. Do we think we have tremendous growth opportunities? Absolutely. We're trying to balance all those balls in the air, and I think we're doing a pretty good job, and you'll see it by the end of the year whether we've been able to meet promise or not.
Speaker #3: So, we're trying to balance all those balls in the air, and I think we're doing a pretty good job. You'll see by the end of the year whether we've been able to meet the promise or not.
Speaker #6: I think it's important, Jeff, that the large deals are what we really get paid. We get paid both on an absolute premium dollar basis typically and we get paid on a high return basis.
Benjamin Rosenblum: I think it's important, Jeff, that, you know, the large deals are where we really get paid. We get paid both on an absolute premium dollar basis typically, and we get paid on a high return basis. Those are the deals we really need to capture to really grow our ROE as we You know, Rob ticked off. You know, we had a bunch of deals in Q1 that were over 100 million to par. These are the deals we're obviously going after. We need big deals, and those are the ones that are really gonna drive the higher returns that we're looking forward to.
Ben Rosenblum: I think it's important, Jeff, that, you know, the large deals are where we really get paid. We get paid both on an absolute premium dollar basis typically, and we get paid on a high return basis. Those are the deals we really need to capture to really grow our ROE as we You know, Rob ticked off. You know, we had a bunch of deals in Q1 that were over 100 million to par. These are the deals we're obviously going after. We need big deals, and those are the ones that are really gonna drive the higher returns that we're looking forward to.
Speaker #6: And those are the deals we really need to capture to really grow ROEs. Rob ticked off. We had a bunch of deals in the first quarter.
Speaker #6: There were over $100 million to par. These are the deals we're obviously going after. We need big deals, and those are the ones that are really going to drive the higher returns that we're looking forward to.
Rob Bailenson: Don't forget, Jeff, those significantly large fund finance deals earn very quickly. That PVP that comes in structured finance, will earn over the next year to 2.
Speaker #4: And don't forget, Jeff, those significantly large fund finance deals earn very, very quickly. So that PVP that comes in in structured finance will earn over the next year to two.
Rob Bailenson: Don't forget, Jeff, those significantly large fund finance deals earn very quickly. That PVP that comes in structured finance, will earn over the next year to 2.
Speaker #3: And it also releases the capital over the next year. We've got a lot of things to consider, Jeff, as you appreciate. There's kind of a new wave of opportunity, new wave of businesses that we are looking at.
Dominic Frederico: It also releases the capital over the next year.
Dominic Frederico: It also releases the capital over the next year.
Rob Bailenson: Capital to release. Exactly.
Rob Bailenson: Capital to release. Exactly.
Dominic Frederico: We've got a lot of things to consider, Jeff. As you appreciate, there's kind of a new wave of opportunity, new wave of businesses that we are looking at. All that needs some capital. As I said, we've got to look at the mix of our capital and move to more soft facilities as opposed to hard cash equities in terms of how we meet some of these requirements and still provide ourselves the ability and the capability to do capital management through share repurchases.
Dominic Frederico: We've got a lot of things to consider, Jeff. As you appreciate, there's kind of a new wave of opportunity, new wave of businesses that we are looking at. All that needs some capital. As I said, we've got to look at the mix of our capital and move to more soft facilities as opposed to hard cash equities in terms of how we meet some of these requirements and still provide ourselves the ability and the capability to do capital management through share repurchases.
Speaker #3: And all that needs some capital. And as I said, we've got to look at the mix of our capital and move to more soft facilities as opposed to hard cash equities in terms of how we meet some of these requirements and still provide ourselves the ability and the capability to do capital management through shared purchases.
Speaker #5: The magic number is then $500 million for buyback. When you think about the business plan for this year, do you anticipate deploying 500-plus million into non-FG, whether it be buyback or annuity rate or anything like that?
Jeffrey Dunn: The magic number has been $500 million for buyback. When you think about the business plans for this year, do you anticipate deploying $500+ million into non-FG, whether it be buyback or annuity re or anything like that? I'm just curious in terms of the excess capital deployment. Is it just where it's going changes, but your target amounts don't?
Geoffrey Dunn: The magic number has been $500 million for buyback. When you think about the business plans for this year, do you anticipate deploying $500+ million into non-FG, whether it be buyback or annuity re or anything like that? I'm just curious in terms of the excess capital deployment. Is it just where it's going changes, but your target amounts don't?
Speaker #5: I'm just curious in terms of the excess capital deployment. Is it just where it's going changes, but your target amounts don't?
Speaker #3: Well, we have the balances. What's running off in the portfolio from the standpoint of capital requirements? What are we putting on in terms of new business?
Dominic Frederico: Well, we have the balances. What's running off in the portfolio from the standpoint of capital requirements? What are we putting on in terms of new business? That delta can go anywhere from flat to maybe +$200 million, depending on the type of business and where you write the business. You got that issue. We also made money, so that increases the capital. We look at the balance of the two and then look at the new business I talked about in the life business. We think, and we're pretty optimistic in terms of what we see in activity, that that could also require us to put up maybe anywhere between $50 and 100 million in capital for that growth for the next 2 years.
Dominic Frederico: Well, we have the balances. What's running off in the portfolio from the standpoint of capital requirements? What are we putting on in terms of new business? That delta can go anywhere from flat to maybe +$200 million, depending on the type of business and where you write the business. You got that issue. We also made money, so that increases the capital. We look at the balance of the two and then look at the new business I talked about in the life business. We think, and we're pretty optimistic in terms of what we see in activity, that that could also require us to put up maybe anywhere between $50 and 100 million in capital for that growth for the next 2 years.
Speaker #3: And that delta can go anywhere from flat to maybe plus 200 million dollars depending on the type of business and where you write the business.
Speaker #3: So you got that issue. But then we also make money. So that increases the capital. So we look at the balance of the two.
Speaker #3: And then look at the new business. As I talked about in the life business, we think, and we're pretty optimistic in terms of what we see in activity, that that could also require us to put up maybe anywhere between 50 and 150 million of capital for that group.
Speaker #3: For the next two years.
Speaker #6: And again, I think we told you we told you guys when you joined the life business, if we're looking at the life business, we think roughly two, three years, we'll get to some kind of steady state equilibrium.
Benjamin Rosenblum: Again, I think, you know, we told you know, we told you guys when we joined the life business, if we're looking at, you know, the life business, we think, you know, roughly, you know, 2, 3 years, you know, we'll get to some kind of steady state equilibrium. We could, you know, probably be printing, you know, 10% to 12% returns. Again, we are very focused, as Dominic mentioned earlier, on ROE. This is an area we're 100% focused on. We know we can do better, we are doing better, and we're seeing that, but we do need the capital to use to grow that ROE.
Ben Rosenblum: Again, I think, you know, we told you know, we told you guys when we joined the life business, if we're looking at, you know, the life business, we think, you know, roughly, you know, 2, 3 years, you know, we'll get to some kind of steady state equilibrium. We could, you know, probably be printing, you know, 10% to 12% returns. Again, we are very focused, as Dominic mentioned earlier, on ROE. This is an area we're 100% focused on. We know we can do better, we are doing better, and we're seeing that, but we do need the capital to use to grow that ROE.
Speaker #6: We could probably be printing 10 to 12 percent returns. And again, we are very focused as Dominic mentioned earlier on ROE. This is an area where 100% focused on.
Speaker #6: We know we can do better. We are doing better. And we're seeing that. But we do need the capital to use to grow that ROE.
Speaker #5: Gotcha. Okay. Thank you.
Jeffrey Dunn: Gotcha. Okay. Thank you.
Geoffrey Dunn: Gotcha. Okay. Thank you.
Speaker #1: This concludes the question and answer session. I would now like to turn the conference back over to our host, Robert Tucker, for closing remarks.
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