Q2 2026 Atrium Mortgage Investment Corp Earnings Call
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Speaker #2: Ladies and gentlemen , please stand by . Your conference is about to begin . Welcome to the Atrium Mortgage Investment Corp s second quarter results conference call .
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, please stand by. Your conference is about to begin. Welcome to the Atrium Mortgage Investment Corporation Q2 results conference call. At this time, all lines are in listen-only mode. Later in the call, we will conduct a question and answer session. At that time, if you have a question, you will be asked to press star two on your touch tone keypad. A reminder that this conference is being recorded Thursday, 7 August 2026. Certain statements will be made during this phone call that may be forward-looking statements. Although Atrium believes that such statements are based upon reasonable assumptions, actual results may differ materially. Forward-looking statements are based upon beliefs, estimates, and opinions of Atrium's management the date the statements are made. Atrium undertakes no obligations to update these forward-looking statements in the event that management's beliefs, estimates, opinions, or other factors change.
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, please stand by. Your conference is about to begin. Welcome to the Atrium Mortgage Investment Corporation Q2 results conference call. At this time, all lines are in listen-only mode. Later in the call, we will conduct a question and answer session. At that time, if you have a question, you will be asked to press star two on your touch tone keypad. A reminder that this conference is being recorded Thursday, 6 August 2026.
Speaker #2: At this time , all lines are in listen only mode . Later in the call , we will conduct a question and answer session .
Speaker #2: At that time , if you have a question , you will be asked to press star two on your touch tone keypad . Reminder that this conference is being recorded Thursday , August 6th , 2026 .
Speaker #2: Certain statements will be made during this phone call that may be forward looking statements . Although atrium believes that such statements are based upon reasonable assumptions , actual results may differ materially .
Operator: Certain statements will be made during this phone call that may be forward-looking statements. Although Atrium believes that such statements are based upon reasonable assumptions, actual results may differ materially. Forward-looking statements are based upon beliefs, estimates, and opinions of Atrium's management the date the statements are made. Atrium undertakes no obligations to update these forward-looking statements in the event that management's beliefs, estimates, opinions, or other factors change.
Speaker #2: Forward looking statements are based upon beliefs , estimates and opinions of Atrium's management . The date , the statements are made . Atrium undertakes no obligation to update these forward looking statements in the event that management's beliefs , estimates , opinions or other factors change .
Speaker #2: I would now like to turn the conference over to your host , Robert Goodall , CEO of atrium . Mr. Goodall , please go ahead .
Operator: I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Robert Goodall, CEO of Atrium. Mr. Goodall, please go ahead.
Operator: I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Robert Goodall, CEO of Atrium. Mr. Goodall, please go ahead.
Speaker #3: Thank you , and thank you all for calling in this morning . Our CFO , Chris Anastasopoulos , is joining me today . Chris , will begin with an overview of our financial And then I will speak about our performance from an operational and portfolio perspective .
Robert Goodall: Thank you. Thank you all for calling in this morning. Our CFO, Chris Anastasopoulos, is joining me today. Chris will begin with an overview of our financial results. Then I will speak about our performance from an operational and portfolio perspective.
Robert Goodall: Thank you. Thank you all for calling in this morning. Our CFO, Chris Anastasopoulos, is joining me today. Chris will begin with an overview of our financial results. Then I will speak about our performance from an operational and portfolio perspective.
Speaker #4: Thank you . Rob Atrium delivered solid financial results for shareholders in the second quarter . Despite mixed market conditions and ongoing economic uncertainty For the second quarter , atrium generated net income of $11.7 million and our basic earnings per share was $0.24 per share , compared to net income of $13.1 million and basic earnings per share of $0.28 .
Chris Anastasopoulos: Thank you, Rob. Atrium delivered solid financial results for shareholders in Q2, despite mixed market conditions and ongoing economic uncertainty. For Q2, Atrium generated net income of CAD 11.7 million. Our basic earnings per share was CAD 0.24 per share compared to net income of CAD 13.1 million and basic earnings per share of CAD 0.28 in the comparative quarter of 2025. Our quarterly earnings continue to exceed our regular quarterly dividend of CAD 0.2325 per share. The weighted average interest rate on our mortgage portfolio declined to 8.69% at 30 June from 8.86% at 31 March 2026 as higher-yielding loans were repaid and replaced with new loan originations priced at lower yields based on current market conditions. As at 30 June 2026, 80.9% of the mortgage portfolio was priced at floating interest rates with the majority of loans having interest rate floors in place.
Chris Anastasopoulos: Thank you, Rob. Atrium delivered solid financial results for shareholders in Q2, despite mixed market conditions and ongoing economic uncertainty. For Q2, Atrium generated net income of CAD 11.7 million. Our basic earnings per share was CAD 0.24 per share compared to net income of CAD 13.1 million and basic earnings per share of CAD 0.28 in the comparative quarter of 2025. Our quarterly earnings continue to exceed our regular quarterly dividend of CAD 0.2325 per share. The weighted average interest rate on our mortgage portfolio declined to 8.69% at 30 June from 8.86% at 31 March 2026 as higher-yielding loans were repaid and replaced with new loan originations priced at lower yields based on current market conditions. As at 30 June 2026, 80.9% of the mortgage portfolio was priced at floating interest rates with the majority of loans having interest rate floors in place.
Speaker #4: In the comparative quarter of 2025 . Our quarterly earnings continue to exceed our regular quarterly dividend of 23.2 $0.05 per share . The weighted average interest rate on our mortgage portfolio declined to 8.69% at June 30th , from 8.86% at March 31st , 2026 .
Speaker #4: As higher yielding loans were repaid and replaced with new loan originations priced at lower yields . Based on current market conditions As at June 30th , 2026 , 80.9% of the mortgage portfolio was priced at floating interest rates , with the majority of loans having interest rate floors in place .
Speaker #4: The mortgage portfolio ended the quarter at $860.1 million , and a with a , which was a decrease of 6.2% from $917.1 million at December 31st , 2025 .
Chris Anastasopoulos: The mortgage portfolio ended the quarter at CAD 860.1 million which was a decrease of 6.2% from CAD 917.1 million at 31 December 2025. The decrease was due to unusually high mortgage repayments outpacing mortgage advances in Q2 with CAD 88.2 million of mortgage principal advanced and CAD 121.9 million repaid and transferred net of write-offs of CAD 1 million during the quarter. This resulted in a portfolio turnover rate of 58% on an annualized basis compared to 38% for 2025 which is an indicator of a healthy portfolio. We expect repayment activity to moderate over the balance of the year. As of 30 June 2026, 96.9% of our mortgages were first mortgages. We had maintained a conservative weighted average loan-to-value ratio of 62.5% for the portfolio, up from 61.4% at year-end.
Chris Anastasopoulos: The mortgage portfolio ended the quarter at CAD 860.1 million which was a decrease of 6.2% from CAD 917.1 million at 31 December 2025. The decrease was due to unusually high mortgage repayments outpacing mortgage advances in Q2 with CAD 88.2 million of mortgage principal advanced and CAD 121.9 million repaid and transferred net of write-offs of CAD 1 million during the quarter. This resulted in a portfolio turnover rate of 58% on an annualized basis compared to 38% for 2025 which is an indicator of a healthy portfolio. We expect repayment activity to moderate over the balance of the year. As of 30 June 2026, 96.9% of our mortgages were first mortgages. We had maintained a conservative weighted average loan-to-value ratio of 62.5% for the portfolio, up from 61.4% at year-end.
Speaker #4: The decrease was due to unusually high mortgage repayments , outpacing mortgage advances in the second quarter , with $88.2 million of mortgage principal advanced and $121.9 million repaid and transferred , net of write offs of 1 million .
Speaker #4: During the quarter . This resulted in a portfolio turnover rate of 58% on an annualized basis , compared to 38% for 2025 , which is an indicator of a healthy portfolio .
Speaker #4: We expect repayment activity to moderate over the balance of the year as at June 30th , 2026 , 96.9% of our mortgages were first mortgages , and we had maintained a conservative weighted average loan to value ratio of 62.5% for the portfolio , up from 61.4% at year end .
Speaker #4: Our mortgages , classified as stage one , where $704.6 million at June 30th , 2026 , down $77.8 million from $782.4 million at December 31st , 2025 .
Chris Anastasopoulos: Our mortgages classified as Stage 1 were CAD 704.6 million at 30 June 2026, down CAD 77.8 million from CAD 782.4 million at 31 December 2025. Stage 2 mortgages rose to CAD 93.9 million, up CAD 45.2 million from CAD 48.7 million at 31 December 2025. This included CAD 24.4 million of mortgages transferred to Stage 2 for being over 30 days past their maturity. However, these loans remain current on their interest payments. Most importantly, Stage 3 loans decreased 28% to CAD 61.5 million at 30 June 2026, down from CAD 86 million at 31 December 2025. This was primarily due to CAD 46.3 million in repayments, partially offset by the addition of a CAD 13.5 million loan that went into default for being over 30 days past maturity. Although the loan remains current on its interest payments.
Chris Anastasopoulos: Our mortgages classified as Stage 1 were CAD 704.6 million at 30 June 2026, down CAD 77.8 million from CAD 782.4 million at 31 December 2025. Stage 2 mortgages rose to CAD 93.9 million, up CAD 45.2 million from CAD 48.7 million at 31 December 2025. This included CAD 24.4 million of mortgages transferred to Stage 2 for being over 30 days past their maturity. However, these loans remain current on their interest payments. Most importantly, Stage 3 loans decreased 28% to CAD 61.5 million at 30 June 2026, down from CAD 86 million at 31 December 2025. This was primarily due to CAD 46.3 million in repayments, partially offset by the addition of a CAD 13.5 million loan that went into default for being over 30 days past maturity. Although the loan remains current on its interest payments.
Speaker #4: Stage two mortgages rose to $93.9 million , up 45.2 million from $48.7 million at December 31st , 2025 . This included $24.4 million of mortgages transferred to stage two for being over 30 days past their maturity .
Speaker #4: However , these loans remain current on their interest payments Most importantly , stage three loans decreased 28% to 61.5% million at June 30th , 2026 , down from 86 million at December 31st , 2025 .
Speaker #4: This was primarily due to $46.3 million in repayments , partially offset by the addition of a $13.5 million loan that went into default for being over 30 days past maturity Although the loans remains current on its interest payments , the total allowance for credit losses was $30.1 million at June 30th , 2026 , a 1.3% decrease from $30.5 million at December 31st , 2025 .
Chris Anastasopoulos: The total allowance for credit losses was CAD 30.1 million at 30 June 2026, a 1.3% decrease from CAD 30.5 million at 31 December 2025. However, due to the reduction in the mortgage portfolio, the allowance for credit losses represents 3.5% of the portfolio, up from 3.32% at 31 December 2025. By stage, the allowance breaks down as follows. The Stage 1 allowance increased to CAD 7.3 million from CAD 6.1 million at year-end, representing a 1.04% increase in Stage 1 loans. The Stage 2 allowance grew to CAD 8.1 million from CAD 2.9 million at year-end, consistent with the migration of loans into this category. The Stage 3 allowance declined significantly to CAD 14.7 million from CAD 21.5 million at year-end, in line with the reductions in Stage 2, Stage 3 balances discussed previously. Our balance sheet remains strong, liquid, and well-capitalized.
Chris Anastasopoulos: The total allowance for credit losses was CAD 30.1 million at 30 June 2026, a 1.3% decrease from CAD 30.5 million at 31 December 2025. However, due to the reduction in the mortgage portfolio, the allowance for credit losses represents 3.5% of the portfolio, up from 3.32% at 31 December 2025. By stage, the allowance breaks down as follows. The Stage 1 allowance increased to CAD 7.3 million from CAD 6.1 million at year-end, representing a 1.04% increase in Stage 1 loans. The Stage 2 allowance grew to CAD 8.1 million from CAD 2.9 million at year-end, consistent with the migration of loans into this category. The Stage 3 allowance declined significantly to CAD 14.7 million from CAD 21.5 million at year-end, in line with the reductions in Stage 2, Stage 3 balances discussed previously. Our balance sheet remains strong, liquid, and well-capitalized.
Speaker #4: However , due to the reduction in the mortgage portfolio , the allowance for credit losses represents 3.5% of the portfolio , up from 3.32% at December 31st , 2025 .
Speaker #4: By stage , the allowance breaks down as follows . Stage one the stage one allowance increased to $7.3 million from 6.1 million at year end , representing a 1.04% increase in stage one loans .
Speaker #4: The stage two allowance grew to 88.1 million from 2.9 million at year end Consistent with the migration of loans into this category and the stage three allowance declined significantly to 14.7 million from 21.5 million at year end .
Speaker #4: In line with the reductions in stage two . Stage three balances discussed previously , our balance sheet remains strong , liquid and well capitalized At June 30th , 2026 , our low at 36.5% of total assets , with $224.1 million drawn on our $380 million credit facility , leaving healthy capacity .
Chris Anastasopoulos: At 30 June 2026, our debt remained low at 36.5% of total assets with CAD 224.1 million drawn on our CAD 380 million credit facility, leaving healthy available capacity. The weighted average cost of borrowing on the credit facility declined to 4.67% for the quarter compared to 5.1% in the same quarter last year and 5.08% for the full year of 2025. The board also declared monthly dividends of CAD 0.0775 per share for the months of October, November, and December 2026, consistent with our previously announced CAD 0.93 per share standard dividend for the year. Overall, these results reflect another quarter of consistent performance for our shareholders, notwithstanding the challenging market backdrop.
Chris Anastasopoulos: At 30 June 2026, our debt remained low at 36.5% of total assets with CAD 224.1 million drawn on our CAD 380 million credit facility, leaving healthy available capacity. The weighted average cost of borrowing on the credit facility declined to 4.67% for the quarter compared to 5.1% in the same quarter last year and 5.08% for the full year of 2025. The board also declared monthly dividends of CAD 0.0775 per share for the months of October, November, and December 2026, consistent with our previously announced CAD 0.93 per share standard dividend for the year. Overall, these results reflect another quarter of consistent performance for our shareholders, notwithstanding the challenging market backdrop.
Speaker #4: The weighted average cost of borrowing on the credit facility declined to 4.67% for the quarter , compared to 5.1% in the same quarter last year and 5.08% for the full year of 2025 .
Speaker #4: The board also declared monthly dividends of 7.7 $0.05 per share for the month of October . November and December 2026 . Consistent with our previously announced $0.93 per share standard dividend for the year Overall , these results reflect another quarter of consistent performance for our shareholders .
Speaker #4: Notwithstanding the challenging market backdrop, we remain disciplined in our risk management approach, continue to strengthen our team's capability, manage expenses prudently, and are focused on maintaining a balance sheet that can weather the pressures of the current economic cycle while pursuing new lending opportunities as they arise. I'll now pass you back to Rob for the business and portfolio updates.
Chris Anastasopoulos: We remain disciplined in our risk management approach, continue to strengthen our team's capability, manage expenses prudently, and are focused on maintaining a balance sheet that can weather the pressures of the current economic cycle while pursuing new lending opportunities as they arise. I will now pass you back to Rob for the business and portfolio updates.
Chris Anastasopoulos: We remain disciplined in our risk management approach, continue to strengthen our team's capability, manage expenses prudently, and are focused on maintaining a balance sheet that can weather the pressures of the current economic cycle while pursuing new lending opportunities as they arise. I will now pass you back to Rob for the business and portfolio updates.
Speaker #3: Thank you Chris . As Chris said , atrium had a solid second quarter with basic earnings per share of $0.24 . The year to date results of $0.49 are comfortably above of 46.5 cents per share .
Robert Goodall: Thank you, Chris. As Chris said, Atrium MIC had a solid Q2 with basic earnings per share of CAD 0.24. The year-to-date results of CAD 0.49 are comfortably above our dividend of CAD 0.465 per share. The portfolio declined 4% on a quarter-over-quarter basis from CAD 896 million last quarter to CAD 860 million at 30 June. This occurred despite having our highest level of loan production since Q2 of 2025. The BC office made a significant contribution to loan production in Q2 and is off to a good start in Q3. The drop in the portfolio in Q2 was due to an unusually high level of repayments totaling CAD 122 million. Repayments are often lumpy on a quarterly basis, and we expect repayment activity to moderate over the balance of the year.
Robert Goodall: Thank you, Chris. As Chris said, Atrium MIC had a solid Q2 with basic earnings per share of CAD 0.24. The year-to-date results of CAD 0.49 are comfortably above our dividend of CAD 0.465 per share. The portfolio declined 4% on a quarter-over-quarter basis from CAD 896 million last quarter to CAD 860 million at 30 June. This occurred despite having our highest level of loan production since Q2 of 2025. The BC office made a significant contribution to loan production in Q2 and is off to a good start in Q3. The drop in the portfolio in Q2 was due to an unusually high level of repayments totaling CAD 122 million. Repayments are often lumpy on a quarterly basis, and we expect repayment activity to moderate over the balance of the year.
Speaker #3: The portfolio declined 4% on a quarter over quarter basis , from 896 million last quarter to 860 million at June 30th . This occurred despite having our highest level of loan production since Q2 of 2025 .
Speaker #3: The D.C. office made a significant contribution to loan production in Q2 and is off to a good start in Q3 . The drop in the portfolio in Q2 was due to an unusually high level of repayments , totaling $122 million .
Speaker #3: The repayments are often lumpy on a quarterly basis , and we expect repayment activity to moderate over the balance of the year . In terms of the composition of the portfolio , commercial loans grew to 30% of the portfolio , up from 29% the previous quarter , and housing , apartment mortgages increased to 23.4% , up sharply from 20.1% in Q1 Combined , our exposure to these two preferred sectors now represents 50 53.4% of the portfolio , up sharply from 49% just last quarter and 23% of the portfolio in 2023 .
Robert Goodall: In terms of the composition of the portfolio, commercial loans grew to 30% of the portfolio, up from 29% in Q1, and house and apartment mortgages increased to 23.4%, up sharply from 20.1% in Q1. Combined, our exposure to these two preferred sectors now represents 53.4% of the portfolio, up sharply from 49% just Q1 and 23% of the portfolio in 2023. The total of high-ratio loans, that is loans over 75% loan-to-value, was CAD 82 million in Q2, virtually unchanged from Q1 and equal to roughly 9.5% of the total portfolio. There was approximately a 50/50 split between single-family loans and commercial and multi-residential loans. In Q2, the average loan-to-value of the portfolio increased slightly to 62.5% and continues to be well within our desired range of 65%.
Robert Goodall: In terms of the composition of the portfolio, commercial loans grew to 30% of the portfolio, up from 29% in Q1, and house and apartment mortgages increased to 23.4%, up sharply from 20.1% in Q1. Combined, our exposure to these two preferred sectors now represents 53.4% of the portfolio, up sharply from 49% just Q1 and 23% of the portfolio in 2023. The total of high-ratio loans, that is loans over 75% loan-to-value, was CAD 82 million in Q2, virtually unchanged from Q1 and equal to roughly 9.5% of the total portfolio. There was approximately a 50/50 split between single-family loans and commercial and multi-residential loans. In Q2, the average loan-to-value of the portfolio increased slightly to 62.5% and continues to be well within our desired range of 65%.
Speaker #3: The total of high ratio loans , that is , loans over 75% loan to value was 82 million in Q2 . Virtually unchanged from the previous quarter and equal to roughly 9.5% of the total portfolio There was an approximate there was approximately a 5050 split between single family loans and commercial and multi residential loans in Q2 .
Speaker #3: The average loan to value of the portfolio increased slightly to 62.5% , and . And continues to be well within our desired range of 65% .
Speaker #3: Atrium's percentage of first mortgages remained elevated at 96.9% , which is one of the highest levels we've ever recorded . I expect that this figure will drop in the next quarter , given that we are reviewing two new second mortgage proposals , but it will still remain high relative to historic norms Construction loans within the portfolio increased to $52 million in the quarter from $43 million in Q1 .
Robert Goodall: Atrium's percentage of first mortgages remained elevated at 96.9%, which is one of the highest levels we have ever recorded. I expect that this figure will drop in Q3 given that we are reviewing two new second mortgage proposals, but it will still remain high relative to historic norms. Construction loans within the portfolio increased to CAD 52 million in the quarter from CAD 43 million in Q1 as we are more comfortable lending in this area given the return of more stable construction costs. We recently funded two construction loans whose balances will increase over the next year, and we are currently looking at construction loan opportunities. This figure is expected to continue to gradually increase. Turning to portfolio quality, the portfolio quality improved in Q2. Stage 3 loans, which are considered impaired loans, decreased from CAD 95 million in Q1 to CAD 62 million at the end of Q2, as we anticipated.
Robert Goodall: Atrium's percentage of first mortgages remained elevated at 96.9%, which is one of the highest levels we have ever recorded. I expect that this figure will drop in Q3 given that we are reviewing two new second mortgage proposals, but it will still remain high relative to historic norms. Construction loans within the portfolio increased to CAD 52 million in the quarter from CAD 43 million in Q1 as we are more comfortable lending in this area given the return of more stable construction costs. We recently funded two construction loans whose balances will increase over the next year, and we are currently looking at construction loan opportunities. This figure is expected to continue to gradually increase.
Speaker #3: As we're more comfortable lending in this area given the return of more stable construction costs . We recently funded two construction loans whose balances will increase over the next year , and we're currently looking at construction loan opportunities .
Speaker #3: So this figure is expected to continue to gradually increase Turning to portfolio quality , the portfolio quality improved in Q2 . Stage three loans , which are considered impaired loans , decreased from $95 million last quarter to $62 million at the end of Q2 .
Robert Goodall: Turning to portfolio quality, the portfolio quality improved in Q2. Stage 3 loans, which are considered impaired loans, decreased from CAD 95 million in Q1 to CAD 62 million at the end of Q2, as we anticipated.
Speaker #3: As we anticipated , the two large stage three loans representing 41 million that we expected to be repaid or refinanced by the end of May , were in fact resolved during the quarter , more than offsetting the addition of one $13.5 million commercial loan that moved into stage three .
Robert Goodall: The two large Stage 3 loans, representing CAD 41 million that we expected to be repaid or refinanced by 31 May, were in fact resolved during the quarter, more than offsetting the addition of one CAD 13.5 million commercial loan that moved into Stage 3 only because it is 90 days past maturity, although the borrower remains current on its interest payments. Stage 2 loans increased to CAD 94 million from CAD 66 million in Q1, largely reflecting CAD 24 million of loans that migrated into this category for being over 30 days past due their contractual maturity date. As was the case in Q1, these borrowers remain current on their interest payments, and we have no fundamental credit concerns with these loans. Turning to the loan loss reserve, we expensed a loan loss provision of CAD 137,000 in Q2 compared to CAD 651 in Q1.
Robert Goodall: The two large Stage 3 loans, representing CAD 41 million that we expected to be repaid or refinanced by 31 May, were in fact resolved during the quarter, more than offsetting the addition of one CAD 13.5 million commercial loan that moved into Stage 3 only because it is 90 days past maturity, although the borrower remains current on its interest payments. Stage 2 loans increased to CAD 94 million from CAD 66 million in Q1, largely reflecting CAD 24 million of loans that migrated into this category for being over 30 days past due their contractual maturity date. As was the case in Q1, these borrowers remain current on their interest payments, and we have no fundamental credit concerns with these loans. Turning to the loan loss reserve, we expensed a loan loss provision of CAD 137,000 in Q2 compared to CAD 651 in Q1.
Speaker #3: Only because it is 90 days past maturity . Although the borrower remains current on its interest payments Stage two loans increased to $94 million from 66 last quarter , largely reflecting 24 million of loans that migrated into this category for being over 30 days past due .
Speaker #3: Their contractual maturity again , maturity date , as was the case last quarter , these borrowers remain current on their interest payments , and we have no fundamental credit concerns with these loans .
Speaker #3: Turning to the loan loss reserve , we expect the loan loss provision of 137,000 in the second quarter , compared to 651 in the previous quarter .
Speaker #3: Atrium's total allowance for credit losses for the quarter was 30.1 million , equal to 350 basis points on the overall mortgage portfolio and up slightly from 340 547 basis points in Q1 .
Robert Goodall: Atrium's total allowance for credit losses for the quarter was CAD 30.1 million, equal to 350 basis points on the overall mortgage portfolio and up slightly from 347 basis points in Q1. My economic commentary is as follows. The Bank of Canada held its policy rate steady at 2.25% through Q2 while trimming its 2026 growth forecast to 0.7% to 1%, as trade uncertainty with the United States continues to weigh on exports and business investment. Canadian CPI came in at 2.8% year-over-year in June, easing from 3.2% in May as gasoline prices moderated. The Bank of Canada does not expect inflation to return to its 2% target until early 2027.
Robert Goodall: Atrium's total allowance for credit losses for the quarter was CAD 30.1 million, equal to 350 basis points on the overall mortgage portfolio and up slightly from 347 basis points in Q1. My economic commentary is as follows. The Bank of Canada held its policy rate steady at 2.25% through Q2 while trimming its 2026 growth forecast to 0.7% to 1%, as trade uncertainty with the United States continues to weigh on exports and business investment. Canadian CPI came in at 2.8% year-over-year in June, easing from 3.2% in May as gasoline prices moderated. The Bank of Canada does not expect inflation to return to its 2% target until early 2027.
Speaker #3: My economic commentaries as follows Bank of Canada held its policy rate steady at 2.25% through the second quarter , while trimming its 2026 growth forecast to 0.7 to 1% .
Speaker #3: This trade uncertainty with the United States continues to weigh on exports and business investment . Canadian CPI came in at 2.8% year over year in June , easing from 3.2% in May .
Speaker #3: As gasoline prices moderated and the Bank of Canada does not expect inflation to return to its 2% target until early 2027 . Meanwhile , the U.S.
Robert Goodall: Meanwhile, the U.S. Federal Reserve also held its policy rate steady in July at a rate of 3.5% to 3.75%, even as the U.S. CPI of 3.5% in June remains well above the Fed's target of 2%. Both central banks continue to flag the ongoing conflict in the Middle East as a key risk to the inflation outlook, given its impact on global oil prices. Turning to commercial real estate, according to CBRE, commercial real estate markets continued to stabilize in Q2. The all properties capitalization rate moved three basis points lower in Q2 after dropping by two basis points in the previous quarter. The office sector, which had experienced weakness over the last few years, has now posted four consecutive quarters of net absorption. Absorption in Q2 was led by Toronto, Calgary, and Montreal, with downtown fundamentals improving in all but one Canadian market.
Robert Goodall: Meanwhile, the U.S. Federal Reserve also held its policy rate steady in July at a rate of 3.5% to 3.75%, even as the U.S. CPI of 3.5% in June remains well above the Fed's target of 2%. Both central banks continue to flag the ongoing conflict in the Middle East as a key risk to the inflation outlook, given its impact on global oil prices. Turning to commercial real estate, according to CBRE, commercial real estate markets continued to stabilize in Q2. The all properties capitalization rate moved three basis points lower in Q2 after dropping by two basis points in the previous quarter. The office sector, which had experienced weakness over the last few years, has now posted four consecutive quarters of net absorption. Absorption in Q2 was led by Toronto, Calgary, and Montreal, with downtown fundamentals improving in all but one Canadian market.
Speaker #3: Federal Reserve also held its policy rate steady in July at a rate of three and a half to three and three quarter percent .
Speaker #3: Even as US CPI of 3.5% in June remains well above the Fed's target of 2% , both central banks continue to flag the ongoing conflict in the Middle East , as a key risk to the inflation outlook , given its impact on global oil prices Turning to commercial real estate .
Speaker #3: According to CBRE , commercial real estate markets continued to stabilize in Q2 . The all properties capitalization rate moved three basis points lower in Q2 after dropping by two basis points in the previous quarter .
Speaker #3: The office sector , which had experienced weakness over the last few years , has now posted four consecutive quarters of net absorption Absorption in Q2 was led by Toronto , Calgary and Montreal , with downtown fundamentals improving in all but one Canadian market .
Speaker #3: The vacancy rate in downtown Toronto was down to 14.1% , although the suburban suburban vacancy rate is still elevated at 20.2% . Vancouver has one of the lowest vacancy rates , 12.2% .
Robert Goodall: The vacancy rate in downtown Toronto was down to 14.1%, although the suburban vacancy rate is still elevated at 20.2%. Vancouver has one of the lowest vacancy rates, 12.2% downtown and 11% in the suburbs. In the industrial sector, national availability declined for the first time since Q3 2022, declining by 10 basis points to 5.5%. Activity was led by, again, the GTA, Montreal, and Vancouver. Vacancy rates at the end of the quarter were 3.4% in Toronto, 5% in Vancouver, 3.8% in Calgary, and 2.7% in Edmonton. We already reported apartment trends for June. Vacancy rates were 4.2% in Vancouver, 4.8% in the GTA, 5.8% in Edmonton, and 6.8% in Calgary. Calgary, in particular, has experienced a large increase in supply, which has increased the vacancy rate. Rents on new purpose-built rentals have decreased in all four markets from their peak levels.
Robert Goodall: The vacancy rate in downtown Toronto was down to 14.1%, although the suburban vacancy rate is still elevated at 20.2%. Vancouver has one of the lowest vacancy rates, 12.2% downtown and 11% in the suburbs. In the industrial sector, national availability declined for the first time since Q3 2022, declining by 10 basis points to 5.5%. Activity was led by, again, the GTA, Montreal, and Vancouver. Vacancy rates at the end of the quarter were 3.4% in Toronto, 5% in Vancouver, 3.8% in Calgary, and 2.7% in Edmonton. We already reported apartment trends for June. Vacancy rates were 4.2% in Vancouver, 4.8% in the GTA, 5.8% in Edmonton, and 6.8% in Calgary. Calgary, in particular, has experienced a large increase in supply, which has increased the vacancy rate. Rents on new purpose-built rentals have decreased in all four markets from their peak levels.
Speaker #3: Downtown and 11% in the suburbs . The industrial sector national availability declined for the first time since Q3 2022 , declining by ten basis points to 5.5% .
Speaker #3: Activity was led by , again , the GTA Montreal and Vancouver . Vacancy rates at the end of the quarter were 3.4% . In Toronto , 5% in Vancouver , 3.8% in Calgary and 2.7% in Edmonton Yardi reported apartment trends for June .
Speaker #3: Vacancy rates were 4.2% in Vancouver , 4.8% in the GTA , 5.8% in Edmonton and 6.8% in Calgary Calgary in particular , has experienced a large increase in supply , which has increased the vacancy rate .
Speaker #3: Rents on new purpose built rentals have decreased in all four markets from their peak levels , but overall , commercial real estate has held up remarkably well as we enter the fifth year of a real estate downturn Turning to the residential and multi-residential real estate in the GTA , resales increased by 9.4% on a year over year basis and was also up on a month to month basis , and listings declined by 13% on a year over year basis .
Robert Goodall: Overall, commercial real estate has held up remarkably well as we enter the fifth year of a real estate downturn. Turning to the residential and multi-residential real estate, in the GTA, resales increased by 9.4% on a year-over-year basis and was also up on a month-to-month basis. Listings declined by 13% on a year-over-year basis. The story was similar in Greater Vancouver, where June resales increased by 9.6% year-over-year and new listings decreased by 6%. Overall market conditions tightened slightly in both cities in June. In Calgary and Edmonton, June resales were down 3.8% and 4.1% respectively. However, relative to the population sizes of the GTA and Vancouver, these Alberta markets had much stronger resale activity. Turning to new home sales, the relatively soft resale market conditions have contributed to very slow activity in the new home sales market across most Canadian markets.
Robert Goodall: Overall, commercial real estate has held up remarkably well as we enter the fifth year of a real estate downturn. Turning to the residential and multi-residential real estate, in the GTA, resales increased by 9.4% on a year-over-year basis and was also up on a month-to-month basis. Listings declined by 13% on a year-over-year basis. The story was similar in Greater Vancouver, where June resales increased by 9.6% year-over-year and new listings decreased by 6%. Overall market conditions tightened slightly in both cities in June. In Calgary and Edmonton, June resales were down 3.8% and 4.1% respectively. However, relative to the population sizes of the GTA and Vancouver, these Alberta markets had much stronger resale activity. Turning to new home sales, the relatively soft resale market conditions have contributed to very slow activity in the new home sales market across most Canadian markets.
Speaker #3: The story was similar in Greater Vancouver , where June resales increased by 9.6% year over year , and new listings decreased by 6% .
Speaker #3: So overall , market conditions tightened slightly in both cities in June in Calgary and Edmonton , June resales were down 3.8% and 4.1% , respectively However , relative to the population sizes of the GTA and Vancouver , these Alberta markets had much stronger resale activity .
Speaker #3: Turning to new home sales, the relatively soft resale market conditions have contributed to very slow activity in the new home sales market across most Canadian markets.
Speaker #3: There were 5400 new home sales in the GTA from January to June , representing an increase of 102% compared to the same period in 2025 .
Robert Goodall: There were 5,400 new home sales in the GTA from January to June, representing an increase of 102% compared to the same period in 2025, but it is still 52% below the 10-year average. Low-rise sales continue to lead the way, as they have for the last three months since the introduction of the HST rebate program, with 4,000 new sales, representing 145% increase versus last year. Low-rise sales are actually now 36% above the 10-year average. Conversely, high-rise sales struggled and remain 85% below the 10-year average. Industry experts had been forecasting a recovery in the low-rise sector first, and this has proven accurate. In Greater Vancouver, buyer demand was soft in Q2 with 1,100 new home sales, up from the previous quarter, but down from last year. Similar to Toronto, most new home sales were actually recently completed units, which highlights that buyers prefer a ready-to-move-in product.
Robert Goodall: There were 5,400 new home sales in the GTA from January to June, representing an increase of 102% compared to the same period in 2025, but it is still 52% below the 10-year average. Low-rise sales continue to lead the way, as they have for the last three months since the introduction of the HST rebate program, with 4,000 new sales, representing 145% increase versus last year. Low-rise sales are actually now 36% above the 10-year average. Conversely, high-rise sales struggled and remain 85% below the 10-year average. Industry experts had been forecasting a recovery in the low-rise sector first, and this has proven accurate. In Greater Vancouver, buyer demand was soft in Q2 with 1,100 new home sales, up from the previous quarter, but down from last year. Similar to Toronto, most new home sales were actually recently completed units, which highlights that buyers prefer a ready-to-move-in product.
Speaker #3: But it's still 52% below the ten year average . Low rise sales continued to lead the way , as they have for the last three months since the introduction of the HST rebate program .
Speaker #3: With 4000 new sales representing 145% increase versus last year . Though rye sales are actually now 36 . Above 36% . Above the ten year average Conversely , high rise sales struggled and remain 85% below the ten year average .
Speaker #3: Industry experts had been forecasting a recovery in the low rise sector . First , and this has proven accurate in Greater Vancouver , buyer demand was soft in Q2 , with 1100 new home sales , up from the previous quarter , down from last year .
Speaker #3: Similar to Toronto , most new home sales were actually recently completed . Unit units , which highlights that buyers prefer a ready to move in product .
Speaker #3: The weakest sector in both GTA and GVA remains the high rise condominium market , which will start to recover once the excess supply supply is absorbed in the GTA condo inventory .
Robert Goodall: The weakest sector in both the GTA and GVA remains the high-rise condominium market, which will start to recover once the excess supply is absorbed. In the GTA, condo inventory under construction has dropped to 38,250 units from 48,400 units just last quarter, and from a high of 105,400 units in mid-2023. The excess supply and the amount of product under construction is dropping fairly quickly. To conclude, we had a good quarter overall, with an improvement in portfolio quality as our Stage 3 loan balance dropped to CAD 62 million from CAD 95 million last quarter. Despite the decline in our mortgage portfolio this quarter, we had our most active quarter for new business in 12 months, and I believe we are well positioned heading into the H2 of the year.
Robert Goodall: The weakest sector in both the GTA and GVA remains the high-rise condominium market, which will start to recover once the excess supply is absorbed. In the GTA, condo inventory under construction has dropped to 38,250 units from 48,400 units just last quarter, and from a high of 105,400 units in mid-2023. The excess supply and the amount of product under construction is dropping fairly quickly. To conclude, we had a good quarter overall, with an improvement in portfolio quality as our Stage 3 loan balance dropped to CAD 62 million from CAD 95 million last quarter. Despite the decline in our mortgage portfolio this quarter, we had our most active quarter for new business in 12 months, and I believe we are well positioned heading into the H2 of the year.
Speaker #3: Under construction has dropped to 38,250 units from 48,400 units just last quarter , and from a high of 105,400 units in mid 2023 .
Speaker #3: So the excess supply and the amount of product under construction is dropping fairly quickly To conclude , we had a good quarter overall with an improvement in portfolio quality as our stage three loan balance dropped from 62 million dropped to 62 million from 95 million last quarter .
Speaker #3: Despite the decline in our mortgage portfolio quarter , we had our most active quarter for new business in 12 months . And I believe we're well positioned heading into the second half of the year .
Speaker #3: While it's always difficult to forecast loan production and repayments from quarter to quarter, I do believe that the loan portfolio will increase to at least $900 million by the end of the year, due to a slowdown in repayments and contributions in new loan business from all three of our offices.
Robert Goodall: While it is always difficult to forecast loan production and repayments from quarter to quarter, I do believe that the loan portfolio will increase to at least CAD 900 million by the end of the year due to a slowdown in repayments and contributions in new loan business from all three of our offices. The biggest change in the H2 will be a larger contribution to new loan production from Western Canada. The BC office had a strong quarter of origination in Q2 and has a full pipeline of potential loans in Q3. Our Alberta office opened in mid-April, and we have already closed one loan and negotiated binding commitments on two others. As I have mentioned in the past, Atrium’s results have historically been strong during periods of uncertainty. In Q2, we continued that legacy of delivering strong, consistent results for our shareholders despite challenging market conditions.
Robert Goodall: While it is always difficult to forecast loan production and repayments from quarter to quarter, I do believe that the loan portfolio will increase to at least CAD 900 million by the end of the year due to a slowdown in repayments and contributions in new loan business from all three of our offices. The biggest change in the H2 will be a larger contribution to new loan production from Western Canada. The BC office had a strong quarter of origination in Q2 and has a full pipeline of potential loans in Q3. Our Alberta office opened in mid-April, and we have already closed one loan and negotiated binding commitments on two others. As I have mentioned in the past, Atrium’s results have historically been strong during periods of uncertainty. In Q2, we continued that legacy of delivering strong, consistent results for our shareholders despite challenging market conditions.
Speaker #3: The biggest change in the second half will be a larger contribution to new loan production from Western Canada , the B.C. office had a strong quarter of origination in Q2 , and has a full pipeline of potential loans in Q3 .
Speaker #3: Alberta office opened in mid-April , and we've already closed one loan and negotiated binding commitments on two others . As I mentioned in the past , Atrium's results have historically been strong during periods of uncertainty in Q2 , we continued that legacy of delivering strong , consistent results for our shareholders .
Speaker #3: Despite challenging market conditions . Atrium remains on solid footing with ample financial resources to take advantage of opportunities in the market That's all for the presentation , but please to take any questions from listeners .
Robert Goodall: Atrium remains on solid footing with ample financial resources to take advantage of opportunities in the market. That is all for the presentation, but we are pleased to take any questions from listeners.
Robert Goodall: Atrium remains on solid footing with ample financial resources to take advantage of opportunities in the market. That is all for the presentation, but we are pleased to take any questions from listeners.
Speaker #2: The Q&A session will now begin . Please enter star two on your keypad to let the operator know you have a question First question goes to Jamie Gloyn of Bank Capital Markets .
Operator: The Q&A session will now begin. Please enter star two on your keypad to let the operator know you have a question. First question goes to Jaeme Gloyn of National Bank Capital Markets. Jaeme, please go ahead.
Operator: The Q&A session will now begin. Please enter star two on your keypad to let the operator know you have a question. First question goes to Jaeme Gloyn of National Bank Capital Markets. Jaeme, please go ahead.
Speaker #2: Jamie , please go ahead
Speaker #5: Yeah . Thanks . Good morning . Just , , first question , just on the , , the growth , , guidance or target , , to end the year over 900 million .
Jaeme Gloyn: Yeah, thanks. Good morning. First question, just on the growth guidance or target to end the year over CAD 900 million. Could you just give us a little bit more color as to the pipeline? Do you have some deals expected to close already in Q3 or how does that shape up? What gives you the confidence to hit that level?
Jaeme Gloyn: Yeah, thanks. Good morning. First question, just on the growth guidance or target to end the year over CAD 900 million. Could you just give us a little bit more color as to the pipeline? Do you have some deals expected to close already in Q3 or how does that shape up? What gives you the confidence to hit that level?
Speaker #5: Could you just give us a little bit more color as to the , the pipeline ? Do you have some deals expected to close already in Q3 or how does that shape up ?
Speaker #5: What gives you the confidence to hit that level ?
Speaker #3: , as I say , it's always hard to predict , but just based on the pipeline that we have in place now of loans that we think we're going to win , , and based on what we've closed to date , but it's still early in the quarter .
Robert Goodall: As I say, it's always hard to predict, but just based on the pipeline that we have in place now of loans that we think we're going to win, and based on what we've closed to date, but it's still early in the quarter. I think we'll certainly be higher than we ended this quarter at. I think both Q3 and Q4 will ratchet up our balance, and we're thinking we will be over CAD 900 million by the end of the year.
Robert Goodall: As I say, it's always hard to predict, but just based on the pipeline that we have in place now of loans that we think we're going to win, and based on what we've closed to date, but it's still early in the quarter. I think we'll certainly be higher than we ended this quarter at. I think both Q3 and Q4 will ratchet up our balance, and we're thinking we will be over CAD 900 million by the end of the year.
Speaker #3: , I , you know , I think we'll certainly be higher than we ended this quarter at and I think , you know , both Q3 and Q4 will ratchet up our balance .
Speaker #3: And , you know , we're thinking we will be over 900 million by the end of the year
Speaker #5: Okay . And then anything on the on the repayment side of things . , obviously turnover a lot more elevated this quarter and perhaps unexpectedly .
Jaeme Gloyn: Okay. Anything on the repayment side of things? Obviously, the turnover a lot more elevated this quarter and perhaps unexpectedly so. Are there any indications that that more elevated repayment activity or turnover activity could continue into the H2 of this year? Or is that really something that was somewhat one-timey?
Jaeme Gloyn: Okay. Anything on the repayment side of things? Obviously, the turnover a lot more elevated this quarter and perhaps unexpectedly so. Are there any indications that that more elevated repayment activity or turnover activity could continue into the H2 of this year? Or is that really something that was somewhat one-timey?
Speaker #5: So , , are there , are there any indications that , , that , that more elevated repayment activity or turnover activity could continue into the second half of this year ?
Speaker #5: Or is that really something that was , , you know , somewhat one time
Speaker #3: I was , as I said , the repayments are , are often lumpy . I can tell you this quarter , it doesn't seem like the repayments are going to be significant .
Robert Goodall: As I said, the repayments are often lumpy. I can tell you this quarter, it doesn't seem like the repayments are going to be significant. Sometimes that can change quite quickly because most repayment terms on our loans are either 30 or 60-day notice requirements for repayment. It could change, but right now, the repayments don't seem anywhere near what they were in Q2.
Robert Goodall: As I said, the repayments are often lumpy. I can tell you this quarter, it doesn't seem like the repayments are going to be significant. Sometimes that can change quite quickly because most repayment terms on our loans are either 30 or 60-day notice requirements for repayment. It could change, but right now, the repayments don't seem anywhere near what they were in Q2.
Speaker #3: But sometimes that can change quite quickly because , , you know , most repayment terms in our loans are either 30 or 60 day notice requirements for repayment .
Speaker #3: So it could change , but right now the repayments don't seem anywhere near what they were . , in Q2
Speaker #5: Okay , great . , and then shifting to the , , the credit side of the story , , pretty good performance this quarter PCL standpoint , the stage three improved as you , as you guided to .
Jaeme Gloyn: Okay, great. Shifting to the credit side of the story. Pretty good performance this quarter from a PCL standpoint. The Stage 3 improved as you guided to. You've made some comments as well about the Stage 2 loan increases, and how they're 30 days past maturity but still current on interest payments. Maybe just sort of walk us through your strategies and your process for, I'll say, curing those loans, but bringing them, I guess, either to a renewal or a successful refinancing. What's your process and maybe some comments specifically about those two loans and their trajectory.
Jaeme Gloyn: Okay, great. Shifting to the credit side of the story. Pretty good performance this quarter from a PCL standpoint. The Stage 3 improved as you guided to. You've made some comments as well about the Stage 2 loan increases, and how they're 30 days past maturity but still current on interest payments. Maybe just sort of walk us through your strategies and your process for, I'll say, curing those loans, but bringing them, I guess, either to a renewal or a successful refinancing. What's your process and maybe some comments specifically about those two loans and their trajectory.
Speaker #5: , and then you made some comments as well about the stage two loan increases and how they're 30 days past maturity , but still current on interest payments , maybe just sort of walk us through your , your strategies and your process for , I'll say , those loans , but , , you know , bringing them , you know , I guess , , either to a , to a renewal or a successful refinancing , what's your process ?
Speaker #5: And , and maybe some comments specifically about those two loans and their , their trajectory .
Speaker #3: Okay . So those loans , , you know , are 30 days past due borrower , sometimes we will offer renewal and a borrower will think , well , I've improved the property or I've increased the income on the property .
Robert Goodall: Okay. Those loans are 30 days past due. Borrowers, sometimes we will offer a renewal and a borrower will think, Well, I've improved the property, or, I've increased the income on the property, and I think I can get cheaper financing. What ends up happening is they don't sign back our renewal offer, and they search to see if they can find cheaper financing. They keep us current during that period of time, and we're not going to call the loan because we're hoping to renew it. It's just a fact of life in commercial real estate lending that sometimes borrowers, some of your best borrowers, who you don't want to ruin your relationship with forever. To call a loan, legally you'd be on thin ground anyway if they were keeping the interest rates current. The point is, we like those loans.
Robert Goodall: Okay. Those loans are 30 days past due. Borrowers, sometimes we will offer a renewal and a borrower will think, Well, I've improved the property, or, I've increased the income on the property, and I think I can get cheaper financing. What ends up happening is they don't sign back our renewal offer, and they search to see if they can find cheaper financing. They keep us current during that period of time, and we're not going to call the loan because we're hoping to renew it. It's just a fact of life in commercial real estate lending that sometimes borrowers, some of your best borrowers, who you don't want to ruin your relationship with forever. To call a loan, legally you'd be on thin ground anyway if they were keeping the interest rates current. The point is, we like those loans.
Speaker #3: And I think I can get cheaper financing . And what ends up happening is they don't sign back our renewal offer and they search to see if they can find cheaper financing .
Speaker #3: They keep us current during that period of time. And we're not going to call the loan because we're hoping to renew it.
Speaker #3: So it's just a fact of life in in commercial real estate lending that sometimes borrowers , sometimes some of your best borrowers , , who you don't want to ruin your relationship with forever and to call a loan , I mean , legally , you'd be on thin ground anyway if they were keeping the interest rates current .
Speaker #3: , but the point is , we like those loans . We're hoping that we will renew them . , but under new IFRS nine rules and this didn't used to be the case .
Robert Goodall: We're hoping that we will renew them. Under new IFRS-9 rules, and this didn't used to be the case, you have to consider them Stage 2, even though they have the risk profile of what you would think would be a Stage 1 loan. That gives you the context of what these loans are about.
Robert Goodall: We're hoping that we will renew them. Under new IFRS-9 rules, and this didn't used to be the case, you have to consider them Stage 2, even though they have the risk profile of what you would think would be a Stage 1 loan. That gives you the context of what these loans are about.
Speaker #3: You have to consider them stage two , even though they have the risk profile of what you would think would be a stage one loan that gives you the context of what these loans are about .
Speaker #5: Yeah . Okay . Great . That's , , that's well understood . And then , , I apologize if I missed it on the , your prepared remarks about the one commercial loan , , in stage three that , , that , , you know , is now 90 days past , past its maturity , but still current .
Jaeme Gloyn: Yeah. Okay, great. That's well understood. I apologize if I missed it on the prepared remarks about the one commercial loan in Stage 3 that is now 90 days past its maturity but still current. What's the situation there in terms of recovering from that loan? Maybe you could talk about the geographic and asset type exposure. Maybe just some more color on that one specifically.
Jaeme Gloyn: Yeah. Okay, great. That's well understood. I apologize if I missed it on the prepared remarks about the one commercial loan in Stage 3 that is now 90 days past its maturity but still current. What's the situation there in terms of recovering from that loan? Maybe you could talk about the geographic and asset type exposure. Maybe just some more color on that one specifically.
Speaker #5: What's , what's the situation there in terms of , , , recovery from that loan ? Maybe you could talk about like the geographic and , , and asset type exposure , what ?
Speaker #5: Maybe just some more color on that one specifically .
Speaker #3: Sure , sure . We're not worried about that one either . That one is 90 days past due . Because they're looking for , , and are very close to getting replacement financing .
Robert Goodall: Sure. We're not worried about that one either. That one is 90 days past due because they're looking for and are very close to getting replacement financing. It's a rental project. It's a purpose-built rental project. Right now it's land that's going to have a purpose-built rental project built on it, and they're very close to financing. We offered her a short-term renewal with a fee. They don't want to pay the fee, they're paying the interest but not accepting the renewal. There's two of us that are lending on that project. Again, we're not going to call the loan. We know that probably in the next three months that financing will be secured.
Robert Goodall: Sure. We're not worried about that one either. That one is 90 days past due because they're looking for and are very close to getting replacement financing. It's a rental project. It's a purpose-built rental project. Right now it's land that's going to have a purpose-built rental project built on it, and they're very close to financing. We offered her a short-term renewal with a fee. They don't want to pay the fee, they're paying the interest but not accepting the renewal. There's two of us that are lending on that project. Again, we're not going to call the loan. We know that probably in the next three months that financing will be secured.
Speaker #3: It's a rental project . It's a purpose built rental project . So it's right now it's land that's going to be , it's going to have a purpose built rental project built on it .
Speaker #3: And they're very close to financing . And so we offered a short term renewal with a fee . They don't want to pay the fee .
Speaker #3: So they're paying the interest . But not accepting the renewal . And there's two of us that are lending on that project . And , , again , we're not going to call the loan .
Speaker #3: We , you know , we know that , , probably in the next three months that , that financing will be secured because we've , we've sort of sort of checked it out that we're pretty comfortable that financing is going to be secured
Jaeme Gloyn: Okay, great
Jaeme Gloyn: Okay, great
Robert Goodall: We've sort of checked it out, that we're pretty comfortable that financing's going to be secured.
Robert Goodall: We've sort of checked it out, that we're pretty comfortable that financing's going to be secured.
Speaker #5: Excellent . And then last one , just on the weighted average interest rate , , you know , tick down kind of as expected as rates were moving lower , , you know , we have stability in overnight rates , , the , you know , longer bond or longer part of the curve is ticking a little bit higher .
Jaeme Gloyn: Excellent. Last one, just on the weighted average interest rate, tick-down kind of as expected as rates were moving lower. We have stability in overnight rates. The longer bond or longer part of the curve is ticking a little bit higher. What's your expectation about how that rate will evolve here in the second half of 2026?
Jaeme Gloyn: Excellent. Last one, just on the weighted average interest rate, tick-down kind of as expected as rates were moving lower. We have stability in overnight rates. The longer bond or longer part of the curve is ticking a little bit higher. What's your expectation about how that rate will evolve here in the second half of 2026?
Speaker #5: , what's , what's your expectation about how that , that where will , , will evolve here in the second half of the , of 26 .
Speaker #3: You know , the irony is the old legacy loans , some of which are were in stage three . So some , you know , we paid off 41 million of stage three loans .
Robert Goodall: You know, the irony is the old legacy loans, some of which were in Stage 3, we paid off CAD 41 million of Stage 3 loans. They're older loans that were booked when rates were higher. The good news is we got repaid on the loan, full principal and interest. The bad news is they had high rates on them. That was probably the biggest contributor to the reduction in the average interest rate. It was sort of a good news, bad news thing. We're happy to get repaid. Unfortunately, it was one of our higher-yielding mortgages. So I think it'll be.
Robert Goodall: You know, the irony is the old legacy loans, some of which were in Stage 3, we paid off CAD 41 million of Stage 3 loans. They're older loans that were booked when rates were higher. The good news is we got repaid on the loan, full principal and interest. The bad news is they had high rates on them. That was probably the biggest contributor to the reduction in the average interest rate. It was sort of a good news, bad news thing. We're happy to get repaid. Unfortunately, it was one of our higher-yielding mortgages. So I think it'll be.
Speaker #3: The older loans that were booked when rates were higher . So the good news is we got repaid on the loan full principal and interest .
Speaker #3: The bad news is they had high rates on them that that was probably the biggest contributor to the reduction in the average interest rate .
Speaker #3: So it was sort of a good news , bad news thing . We're happy to get repaid . Unfortunately , it was one of our highest higher yielding mortgages So I think it'll be I'm hoping and thinking it'll be more stable going forward .
Jaeme Gloyn: So-
Jaeme Gloyn: So-
Robert Goodall: I'm hoping and thinking it'll be more stable going forward.
Robert Goodall: I'm hoping and thinking it'll be more stable going forward.
Speaker #5: Right . Yeah . Visibility on that repayment curve . And then what's in the pipeline . Stability is the expectation plus or minus .
Jaeme Gloyn: Right. Yeah. Visibility on that repayment curve. What's in the pipeline. Stability is the expectation going forward.
Jaeme Gloyn: Right. Yeah. Visibility on that repayment curve. What's in the pipeline. Stability is the expectation going forward.
Speaker #3: Yeah , yeah . I mean , the it's pretty competitive . The market's pretty competitive right now because as you know , there's not a heck of a lot of activity going on .
Robert Goodall: Yeah.
Robert Goodall: Yeah.
Jaeme Gloyn: Yeah. Okay. Great.
Jaeme Gloyn: Yeah. Okay. Great.
Robert Goodall: The market's pretty competitive right now because, as you know, there's not a heck of a lot of activity going on by buying and selling in the marketplace. As a result, the lenders are chasing business. I think as I said before, we very rarely are competing with other non-bank lenders. We're usually competing with smaller institutions. Some of them are finding, just like we did, some of them are finding their mortgage balances are dropping, and they're sort of migrating into our territory of lending. It's a very competitive market. It doesn't matter, even the life cos in the banks are really competing hard against each other. That's part of what's keeping the interest rates, that's part of what's caused the interest rates to come down as well.
Robert Goodall: The market's pretty competitive right now because, as you know, there's not a heck of a lot of activity going on by buying and selling in the marketplace. As a result, the lenders are chasing business. I think as I said before, we very rarely are competing with other non-bank lenders. We're usually competing with smaller institutions. Some of them are finding, just like we did, some of them are finding their mortgage balances are dropping, and they're sort of migrating into our territory of lending. It's a very competitive market. It doesn't matter, even the life cos in the banks are really competing hard against each other. That's part of what's keeping the interest rates, that's part of what's caused the interest rates to come down as well.
Speaker #3: , buying and selling in the marketplace . So as a result , the lenders are chasing business . And I think , as I said before , we very rarely are competing .
Speaker #3: We're very rarely competing with other non-bank lenders . We're usually competing with smaller institutions . And some of them , you know , are finding just like we did , some of them are finding their mortgage balances are dropping and they're they're sort of migrating into our territory of lending .
Speaker #3: And so it's a very competitive market . It doesn't matter , you know , even even the , the life codes and the banks are really competing hard against each other .
Speaker #3: So that that's part of what's keeping the interest , you know , the interest rates up . That's part of what caused the interest rates to come down as well .
Speaker #3: It's just a very competitive market because there's not a heck of a lot of activity in the market . So the good deals that are out there are sometimes seeing pricing that that we haven't seen in years
Robert Goodall: It's just a very competitive market because there's not a heck of a lot of activity in the market. The good deals that are out there are sometimes seeing pricing that we haven't seen in years.
Robert Goodall: It's just a very competitive market because there's not a heck of a lot of activity in the market. The good deals that are out there are sometimes seeing pricing that we haven't seen in years.
Speaker #5: Understood . , thanks for taking all my questions . Appreciate it .
Jaeme Gloyn: Understood. Thanks for taking all my questions. Appreciate it.
Jaeme Gloyn: Understood. Thanks for taking all my questions. Appreciate it.
Speaker #3: Thank you
Robert Goodall: Thank you.
Robert Goodall: Thank you.
Speaker #2: The next question is from Graham Riding of TD securities . Graham , please go ahead
Operator: The next question is from Graham Ryding of TD Securities. Graham, please go ahead.
Operator: The next question is from Graham Ryding of TD Securities. Graham, please go ahead.
Speaker #4: , hi , Rob . Good morning .
Graham Ryding: Hi, Rob. Good morning. Appreciate the color you gave on all the different verticals within your mortgage portfolio and, I guess, the market overall. If I had to sort of try and summarize your message, am I right in that the commercial side of the market is fairly healthy? The residential side, you're seeing some green shoots of improving activity on the single-family side, there's still some work to do on the condo side in terms of clearing the excess supply. Am I getting your sort of key messages right?
Graham Ryding: Hi, Rob. Good morning. Appreciate the color you gave on all the different verticals within your mortgage portfolio and, I guess, the market overall. If I had to sort of try and summarize your message, am I right in that the commercial side of the market is fairly healthy? The residential side, you're seeing some green shoots of improving activity on the single-family side, there's still some work to do on the condo side in terms of clearing the excess supply. Am I getting your sort of key messages right?
Speaker #6: , I the color you gave on all the different , , verticals within , , your mortgage portfolio or the , I guess the market overall , , if I had to sort of try and summarize your message , , and , and I right in that , you know , the commercial side of , , the market is , , fairly healthy .
Speaker #6: The residential side , you're seeing some green shoots of improving activity on the single family side , but there's still some work to do on the , on the condo side in terms of clearing the , the excess supply .
Speaker #6: AM I getting your sort of key messages right ?
Speaker #3: 100% . I mean , the , the only good news on the high rise condo sector in Toronto . And I don't think it's too dissimilar in , , in Vancouver is we've had about 30,000 units completed each of the last two years , which we've never seen anything like that before .
Robert Goodall: 100 percent. The only good news on the high-rise condo sector in Toronto, and I don't think it's too dissimilar in Vancouver, is we've had about 30,000 units completed each of the last two years, which we'd never seen anything like that before. Now total, there's 38,000 under construction. It tells you we're hopefully getting near to the end of certainly what's under construction to be completed, and the market should start to improve. That's why there's a lot of groups trying to put together bulk purchase funds of condominiums. That's the reason, is they can see that the market should improve over the next couple of years. There's no question, the market right now is very soft.
Robert Goodall: 100 percent. The only good news on the high-rise condo sector in Toronto, and I don't think it's too dissimilar in Vancouver, is we've had about 30,000 units completed each of the last two years, which we'd never seen anything like that before. Now total, there's 38,000 under construction. It tells you we're hopefully getting near to the end of certainly what's under construction to be completed, and the market should start to improve. That's why there's a lot of groups trying to put together bulk purchase funds of condominiums. That's the reason, is they can see that the market should improve over the next couple of years. There's no question, the market right now is very soft.
Speaker #3: And now total , there's 38,000 under construction . So it tells you , , hopefully getting near to the end of certainly what's under construction and to be completed and the market should start to improve .
Speaker #3: That's why there's a lot of , there's a lot of groups trying to put together bulk purchase funds . , of condominiums . And that's the reason is they can see that the market should improve over the next couple of years , but there's no question the market right now is very soft
Speaker #6: Okay , great . That's it for me , Rob . Thanks .
Graham Ryding: Okay, great. That's it for me, Rob. Thanks.
Graham Ryding: Okay, great. That's it for me, Rob. Thanks.
Speaker #3: Okay
Robert Goodall: Okay.
Robert Goodall: Okay.
Speaker #2: The next question is from Zachary Weisbord of Canaccord Genuity. Zachary, please go ahead.
Operator: The next question is from Zachary Weisbrod of Canaccord Genuity. Zachary, please go ahead.
Operator: The next question is from Zachary Weisbrod of Canaccord Genuity. Zachary, please go ahead.
Speaker #5: , thanks . Good morning . , repayment activity seemed to be heavier than expected . This quarter . , can you speak to what drove that were borrowers refinancing with other lenders , or was this primarily take out financing as projects reached completion and moved to longer term debt
Zachary Weisbrod: Thanks. Good morning. Repayment activity seemed to be heavier than expected this quarter. Can you speak to what drove that? Were borrowers refinancing with other lenders, or was this primarily take out financing as projects reached completion and moved to longer-term debt?
Zachary Weisbrod: Thanks. Good morning. Repayment activity seemed to be heavier than expected this quarter. Can you speak to what drove that? Were borrowers refinancing with other lenders, or was this primarily take out financing as projects reached completion and moved to longer-term debt?
Speaker #3: Good question . I , I think honestly , it was a mix of the two . , let me give you an example of the two .
Robert Goodall: Good question. I think honestly, it was a mix of the two. Let me give you an example of the two Stage 3 loans that total CAD 41 million that were repaid. The CAD 31 million, the bigger one, was actually a sale. The nine, CAD 10 million one, very fortunately, the borrower found a very strong joint venture partner in a difficult market to find that person. That one was a refinancing. It was a mix of the two.
Robert Goodall: Good question. I think honestly, it was a mix of the two. Let me give you an example of the two Stage 3 loans that total CAD 41 million that were repaid. The CAD 31 million, the bigger one, was actually a sale. The nine, CAD 10 million one, very fortunately, the borrower found a very strong joint venture partner in a difficult market to find that person. That one was a refinancing. It was a mix of the two.
Speaker #3: , stage three loans that totaled 41 million that were repaid , the 31 million , the bigger one was actually a sale . And the nine , $10 million one , , very fortunately , the , , the borrower found a very strong , , joint venture , partner .
Speaker #3: , in a difficult , difficult market to find that person . So that one was , , a refinancing . So it's a mix , it was a mix of the two .
Speaker #5: Okay . Thanks . And , , with Alberta office now up and running , , can you talk about the opportunity set that you're seeing there and how it differs from Ontario in terms of , , flow or profile pricing
Zachary Weisbrod: Okay, thanks. With the Alberta office now up and running, can you talk about the opportunity set that you're seeing there and how it differs from Ontario in terms of deal flow, borrower profile, pricing?
Zachary Weisbrod: Okay, thanks. With the Alberta office now up and running, can you talk about the opportunity set that you're seeing there and how it differs from Ontario in terms of deal flow, borrower profile, pricing?
Speaker #3: , I mean , certainly the market's more active , , , you know , the three deals that we've either closed or tied up now , , one one is , , a small apartment , 41 units that's being constructed up , purpose built rental , right beside , , the university .
Robert Goodall: Certainly the market's more active. The 41 deals that we've either closed or tied up now, one is a small apartment, 41 units, that's being constructed. Purpose-built rental right beside the university. The second one is recently completed small bay industrial, which is super strong market in both the Alberta major cities, Calgary and Edmonton. The third one was a commercial building, a sort of medical office where literally before closing somehow, I don't know how he did it, pre-sold most of the building. He's converting it to medical office from a more traditional commercial use. He literally is almost repaying our loan once he finishes the fit-up of the space from the pre-sales to various medical office users. Three very different loans, all commercial, which we like. We're not really diving into development there either. We're sort of letting the development portfolio reduce in size.
Robert Goodall: Certainly the market's more active. The 41 deals that we've either closed or tied up now, one is a small apartment, 41 units, that's being constructed. Purpose-built rental right beside the university. The second one is recently completed small bay industrial, which is super strong market in both the Alberta major cities, Calgary and Edmonton. The third one was a commercial building, a sort of medical office where literally before closing somehow, I don't know how he did it, pre-sold most of the building. He's converting it to medical office from a more traditional commercial use. He literally is almost repaying our loan once he finishes the fit-up of the space from the pre-sales to various medical office users. Three very different loans, all commercial, which we like. We're not really diving into development there either. We're sort of letting the development portfolio reduce in size.
Speaker #3: , a second one is recently completed small bay industrial , which is super strong market in both the Alberta , , major cities .
Speaker #3: Calgary and Edmonton . , and the third one was , was a , , a commercial building sort of medical office where , , literally before closing , somehow I don't know how he did it .
Speaker #3: , pre-sold most of , , the building he was converting , he's converting it to medical office from , , more traditional , , commercial use .
Speaker #3: And the literally , you know , is almost repaying our loan or once he finishes the fit up of the space from pre-sales to , , various medical office users .
Speaker #3: So three very different loans , all commercial , which we like , , and , and , , you know , we're not really diving into development there either .
Speaker #3: , we're sort of putting the development portfolio . , , reduce in size . , and , and , , so the strategy is , is not that dissimilar from what we're doing in BC and Toronto
Robert Goodall: The strategy is not that dissimilar from what we're doing in BC and Toronto.
Robert Goodall: The strategy is not that dissimilar from what we're doing in BC and Toronto.
Speaker #5: Okay . Thanks . I appreciate the comments .
Zachary Weisbrod: Okay, thanks. Appreciate the comments.
Zachary Weisbrod: Okay, thanks. Appreciate the comments.
Speaker #3: Okay
Robert Goodall: Okay.
Robert Goodall: Okay.
Speaker #2: It appears that there are no other questions at this time . I will now give the call back to Robert Goodall for closing statements .
Operator: It appears that there are no other questions at this time. I will now give the call back to Robert Goodall for closing statements.
Operator: It appears that there are no other questions at this time. I will now give the call back to Robert Goodall for closing statements.
Speaker #3: Okay . , thanks for attending our conference call . Thanks for all the questions . , we're pleased with the results . I hope you are as well .
Robert Goodall: Okay. Thanks for attending our conference call. Thanks for all the questions. We are pleased with the results. I hope you are as well. For our existing shareholders, thank you for your continued support. Have a great day.
Robert Goodall: Okay. Thanks for attending our conference call. Thanks for all the questions. We are pleased with the results. I hope you are as well. For our existing shareholders, thank you for your continued support. Have a great day.
Speaker #3: And for our existing shareholders . Thank you for your continued support Have a great day .
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